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grunge said:
I was thinking about our track and trace system yesterday. and how its mostly pointless as we only test symptomatic cases. if everyone who got an alert got tested then we would be catching the asymptomatic cases too and would really be able to block the chain of infection.

the scenario I was thinking of.

Person A, gets the virus, they are infectious for 2-3 days before symptoms, then it takes 2/3 days or so for the test and positive to come back. thats 4/6 days window where they could have infected someone. they put there test into the app and everyone that they came in contact with gets the alert. they infected person B in this time.

Person B. was close to person A early on. they get there alert and do the right thing, they isolate. but at this time they have actually been infectious for 4 or so days and Manage to infect person C. But Person B never get symptoms so never gets a test so Person C goes about there business without having a clue they have been near an infected person.

if Person C is asymptomatic too then thats close to 2 weeks of them spreading it without a clue.

Until we fill that hole in the track and trace system then its like boxing with 1 arm tied behind out backs.

this isn't taking into consideration that loads of people just ignore it mind you, thats a whole other issue.
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yep. Never gonna work.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
you try balancing out the msoa, LA, regional, country totals and you'll find the data is worthless. Only Sage know the full facts
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Well I can agree it's a mess, and indeed only PHE (and/or Gov) know all the facts, but a lot of the data can be joined up. But yes we don't know enough sadly for one reason and another
 
kaz7 said:
Going into winter health and the nhs have to come first, we have to get ahead of it and not chase it like we did in the first wave
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Will the nhs be worse off and less able to care for the nations health in forthcoming years due to reduced tax revenue in future years as a result of a further lockdown?
 
ctwrd said:
Will the nhs be worse off and less able to care for the nations health in forthcoming years due to reduced tax revenue in future years as a result of a further lockdown?
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If we don't get ahead of it will an out of control virus cause a later and longer set of restrictions which damage the economy much more *as well* as killing thousands more?
 
ctwrd said:
Will the nhs be worse off and less able to care for the nations health in forthcoming years due to reduced tax revenue in future years as a result of a further lockdown?
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That is for later , not here and now , they have had 12 years of austerity and are doing a brilliant job just the same this year
 
kaz7 said:
The poll also revealed that 67% of people would support a short "circuit breaker" lockdown in England
The same percentage said they are scared about the impact of COVID-19 this winter.

news.sky.com

Coronavirus: 67% back 'circuit breaker' lockdown - and 61% don't trust PM on pandemic, Sky News poll suggests

Two-thirds say they would support a "circuit breaker" as fears grow over the spread this winter.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
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trouble is Kaz businesses are not getting supported like they were and some are not getting supported at all.
 
cleavers said:
Can someone explain to me why rooney will have to miss three games (10 days) despite testing negative after coming into contact with a "friend" who has since tested positive.

I don't really understand some of these isolating rules, sometimes it's 7, then 10, and quarantine 14 days, why are they different ?
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It goes off the last time you were in contact with them, so if he saw them on say Monday and they had symptoms later and went for a test but didn’t get the result until 4 days after he last saw them so it’s now Thursday then he does 10 days, he’s already had 4 away from them so that’s 14 altogether. If he saw them Monday and they tested positive that day he would have to do 14 days, yet the person who is positive only has to do 10 days.
 
Len Rum said:
Would it be cynical to think there has been extra testing in GM over the weekend?
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funny enough a new covid test centre was opened by the Bishops Blaize by the Swamp squeezed into what looked like a very small carpark I noticed this morning
 
I was unfortunate enough to have to nip into Tesco at Padiham this lunchtime.
Myself and very few others wearing masks, kids running through the shop, as kids like to do, huddles of 40ish year olds chatting and blocking the isles.
Staff with their masks under their chins, shouting banter to their pals.
Expect it’s the same all over the country.
Stay safe, Blues.
 
BBC News just announced the government will impose tier 3 on GM unless Andy Burnham accepts it by midday tomorrow.

Seems he thought there was a deal on offer but the government have not come back on this since discussions earlier and now look like they have decided to issue an ultimatum instead via the BBC.

But then the same news just said that case rates in Manchester are now falling. Which they will be if they are looking at last week's data as it did fall daily for a while when they were telling us it was going up.

But not today. They are going up when we are told they are going down.

Monty Python made a fortune writing stuff like this.
 
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peoffrey said:
I fancy Dublin again soon. Is it a no go at the moment?
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You would have to stay here for two weeks unless you went up to Belfast to do a UK to UK flight. Unsure how well it's policed but upon arrival in Ireland you fill in a form stating contact details, address of where you will stay, etc. On return to the UK you wouldn't have to stay in for 2 weeks though. I suppose the shorter answer is that it probably isn't worth it at this time as pubs are back to takeaway only.
 
Assuming the idea is to buy time for a vaccine. At what point is an alternative strategy to continuous lockdowns is adopted if a successful vaccine is not forthcoming?
 
Pince said:
I was unfortunate enough to have to nip into Tesco at Padiham this lunchtime.
Myself and very few others wearing masks, kids running through the shop, as kids like to do, huddles of 40ish year olds chatting and blocking the isles.
Staff with their masks under their chins, shouting banter to their pals.
Expect it’s the same all over the country.
Stay safe, Blues.
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Except it's not like that all over the country.

When I go shopping round here I'd say 90% of the people I see are wearing masks and adhering to distancing recommendations.
 
Nebuchadnezzar said:
You would have to stay here for two weeks unless you went up to Belfast to do a UK to UK flight. Unsure how well it's policed but upon arrival in Ireland you fill in a form stating contact details, address of where you will stay, etc. On return to the UK you wouldn't have to stay in for 2 weeks though. I suppose the shorter answer is that it probably isn't worth it at this time as pubs are back to takeaway only.
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That’s off the list too then! Just like Germany.

I’m not far off getting moved so time to concentrate on that. Roll on 2021...
 
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