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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I know, but this winter is, up to today at least, not any different from most other winters and that is the only point I am trying to make.
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I agree that if people were just looking at the number of beds occupied on the wards and ICU it’s very comparable with Autumn in other years. Even when the remaining empty beds are full it won’t be much out of the ordinary. The difference will be when the surge capacity is full and we (the public and the NHS)!need to stop that from overflowing and stopping other essential services. We know from the cases already locked in that we will be utilising the surge capacity in the next weeks / months.
 
Of the 152 England hospital deaths today they were aged between 36 and 97.

And seven of them aged beteween 61 and 95 had no known previous underlying conditions.
 
Said it before and I will say it again, we all need to take personal responsibility to suppress the virus and the country as a whole needs a minimum four week lockdown. This tier three nonsense is not a lockdown of any sorts. Whilst it may be that the outbreak is not growing a quickly as feared two or three weeks ago it is still growing at an alarming rate. I suspect we will hit 30k new cases this week or early next.
 
Eds said:
Said it before and I will say it again, we all need to take personal responsibility to suppress the virus and the country as a whole needs a minimum four week lockdown. This tier three nonsense is not a lockdown of any sorts. Whilst it may be that the outbreak is not growing a quickly as feared two or three weeks ago it is still growing at an alarming rate. I suspect we will hit 30k new cases this week or early next.
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Agree about the Tier 3 nonsense,far too many aren't taking it seriously and carrying on as normal.

We came out of the proper lockdown far too soon,and that isn't hindsight.
 
Eds said:
Said it before and I will say it again, we all need to take personal responsibility to suppress the virus and the country as a whole needs a minimum four week lockdown. This tier three nonsense is not a lockdown of any sorts. Whilst it may be that the outbreak is not growing a quickly as feared two or three weeks ago it is still growing at an alarming rate. I suspect we will hit 30k new cases this week or early next.
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Only 20% of people are isolating so we don’t need a lockdown we just need to make it easy and affordable for people to self isolate, which is what we needed to put in place from July.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
So what are you suggesting, We take our time and sit back and wait ? Not sure we can afford to do that myself.

I also read several articles back in the spring that one or two companies had picked up the vaccine developments that were made a few years ago with SARs and MERs that were dropped as those virusus disappeared And as they were similar this helped them speed up the development? Not sure how true that is?
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The Oxford vaccine is based on the same platform used for the MERS vaccine, which is in clinical trials now, and was designed for rapid development against new pathogens.

New MERS Coronavirus vaccine clinical trial starts in Saudi Arabia - Vaccitech

Vaccitech’s partner, the University of Oxford’s Jenner Institute, in collaboration with The King Abdullah International Medical Research Centre (KAIMRC), announced that it has started a Phase I clinical trial in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) for a vaccine against Middle East Respiratory...
www.vaccitech.co.uk www.vaccitech.co.uk

More generally work to be ready for fast development of vaccines is sponsored by WHO and UK Govt eg

www.gov.uk

UK Vaccine Network

The UK Vaccine Network brings together industry, academia and relevant funding bodies to advise the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) on research and development investment. The UKVN Project implements the network's recommendations. The project supports the development of vaccines...
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
Andy Burnham was on local BBC News at lunchtime having heard what Rishi was doing and saying that was what he asked for last week during the 'negotiations' but was told a flat no. Now it is being presented as a government plan to help.

Not taking sides. No idea who is right.

The BBC said the full interview will be on this evening's Look North West.
 
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