COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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We could have locked down earlier and harder and for longer in the Summer and might have saved 30,000 lives in the Summer. But we could have just lost those 30,000 lives in the Winter in a bigger second wave instead. Other countries and other viruses in the past have shown that being hit harder the first time around might actually decrease the severity of second and third waves. Others haven’t. Some viruses show that even with a vaccine, some years, the virus is untameable and tens of thousands still die.

The Conservatives have certainly been haphazard, unplanned, inconsistent and amateur in their responses to the situation. But other countries showed that not locking down at all works, and others that track+trace makes no odds if you have it or not. So people pinning these things on them are simply using it because it’s something to throw at them because they aren’t the party they vote for and they completely miss the point of the whole thing - this is a virus!

No matter what they and anyone else would/could have done, there’d be huge downsides to any actions with this as there’s no real winning situation.

And people would still be moaning even if they’d done everything right. Because there’s no telling if they’d done everything most demanded of them from the start that we wouldn’t still be in the same situation with the same number of deaths and the same economic problems by the time the vaccine (that may work some years and absolutely won’t in others) finally comes around.
Wow, at last some common sense in a desert full of bollocks.
Virtually all off topic has the same ideological posters moaning about the same thing every day, they even manage to let their bile seep into the football forum sometimes.

Thank you for some sanity, I’m logging off again now having had some faith restored.
 
The track and trace app has told me to self isolate till 31st Oct and I have been in close contact with someone who has the virus. I have also been sent an isolation note for my employer. That states I am to isolate till 5th Nov. Anyone know why they differ and which one I am suppose to follow?
 
The track and trace app has told me to self isolate till 31st Oct and I have been in close contact with someone who has the virus. I have also been sent an isolation note for my employer. That states I am to isolate till 5th Nov. Anyone know why they differ and which one I am suppose to follow?
Its 14 days from when you were last in contact with the person. Does the app tell you when that was?
 
My mate is a salesman for garden equipment and his company have made more profit this year than the previous 2 years combined. He told me that some time in September.
Spot on mate. I was on long walk last Friday dishing out Supporters Club cards and there were tons of people having building / gardening work done. I also noticed that a few peole were getting new kitchens put in.
 
Nicola Sturgeon is apparently to go one better than Boris today with a new FIVE tier strategy adding two more strict upper levels.

Perhaps after Tier Three there will be one aimed at stopping people from heavily impacted areas of Lancashire and Yorkshire heading north of the border - to be called the Not up't eer.

And in the fifth and strictest the rules will mean that you will not be fined for breaking rules but stunned by phaser if you disobey regulations whilst living in the Final Fron-tier.

Guess we will find out soon.
 
"The data analyst". Brilliant. Thank you for that, it's made my morning.

PS we're still well within 2 standard deviations of where the number of expected deaths for this time of year would normally be. Not an opinion, just a simple mathematical fact. I sacked it off on here as I couldn't be arsed with the abuse I was starting to get.

When this pandemic is effectively over given treatment improvement and the virus just dying the death and morbidity data worldwide will vary little from what it would have been had the virus not been introduced into Wuhan in Oct last year even in countries with death rates from or with the virus above 1 per cent.

The world heath organisation suggest that the best data available and most plausible future outcomes assuming its mutation into further strains are ineffective re transmission from human to human as many covid viruses are that 10 per cent namely 800million will be affected directly and around 4-5 million will die with or from the virus if current health responses are maintained.

Don't be alarmed by this figure as the vast majority of people who get the virus never know they even have it unless they are tested.

Many deaths that have not been reported to date have been with or from covid and some that have been recorded have not given the nature of many public health settings and practices throughout the world.

If we had ignored the virus altogether and made no public or private health response given that around 5 per cent of people with a comorbidity above 75 pass away on average 3 years sooner in males than the average age of death conditional on reaching that age and around 8 years for a female to less than 0.03 per cent of persons under 40 and in particular conditional on many chronic or acute comorbidities in persons of these age brackets would the number of deaths rise significantly in 2020 and 2021 and 2022 by which time the virus will have effectively disappeared through natural immunity?

The deaths that could have been avoided had we had no public response vary in multiplier factor and there is a natural lag factor given the economic , social , cultural and medical and health restrictions in place as a direct response to the pandemic eg lockdowns , business closure , surgery delay , treatment delay from other disease and the list goes on.

I suspect that in the end the extra non covid deaths from responding in the way government have to reduce the speed and impact of human transmission of the virus will well exceed the death numbers in both life expectancy and numerically.

Not by the factor of 4 to 1 as is being predicted for the UK presently but significantly at least.

What should we have done as opposed to what we did do.

Keep the vulnerable and aged care centres quarantined as best as possible from day 1 and isolate as many close contacts as possible as they did in Taiwan.

Compulsory face mask wearing in gatherings and social distancing are the cheapest and most practical and less intrusive means to limit spread.
 
Nicola Sturgeon is apparently to go one better than Boris today with a new FIVE tier strategy adding two more strict upper levels.

Perhaps after Tier Three there will be one aimed at stopping people from heavily impacted areas of Lancashire and Yorkshire heading north of the border - to be called the Not up't eer.

And in the fifth and strictest the rules will mean that you will not be fined for breaking rules but stunned by phaser if you disobey regulations whilst living in the Final Fron-tier.

Guess we will find out soon.
I don't blame,as their is little difference between tiers 2 and 3,and 3 isn't strict enough IMO.
 
Nicola Sturgeon is apparently to go one better than Boris today with a new FIVE tier strategy adding two more strict upper levels.

Perhaps after Tier Three there will be one aimed at stopping people from heavily impacted areas of Lancashire and Yorkshire heading north of the border - to be called the Not up't eer.

And in the fifth and strictest the rules will mean that you will not be fined for breaking rules but stunned by phaser if you disobey regulations whilst living in the Final Fron-tier.

Guess we will find out soon.
Ill be interested to see what tier 1 is and where. Apparently as close to normal as possible.
 
Nicola Sturgeon is apparently to go one better than Boris today with a new FIVE tier strategy adding two more strict upper levels.

Perhaps after Tier Three there will be one aimed at stopping people from heavily impacted areas of Lancashire and Yorkshire heading north of the border - to be called the Not up't eer.

And in the fifth and strictest the rules will mean that you will not be fined for breaking rules but stunned by phaser if you disobey regulations whilst living in the Final Fron-tier.

Guess we will find out soon.

she has to be different - some more positive stories on the Oxford Vaccine by the way and i am told by my AZ source that things are being expedited by the government in terms of approval process
 
Scotland data up first: Not good I am afraid

18 deaths

1401 cases

at 20% (highest yet) or 8 % new system

493 Greater Glasgow 109 Lothian 413 Lanarkshire 117 Ayrshire


975 in hospital - up 41

76 on ventilators - up 2
 
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