COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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BLUEMATT23 said:
Its not helpful in the slightest
That said expect a lot.more of this
People are fed up of being locked up for months and the governments shit handling of the crisis.
People should obey the rules and I have done but I totally understand peoples frustration.
People's liberty and freedoms have been removed, unnecessarily In my opinion for a virus that wont affect the vast majority of the population.
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I was being sarky and yes it is necessary , over 60,000 people have died and it is highly contageous , you will be saying the earth is flat next
 
The biggest problem is not the unconsistency and nonsensical nature of the rules and poor handling of the crisis but that you are better off getting COVID than cancer right now.

get COVID symptoms you get a test, those with early signs of cancer feel discouraged from seeking help and when do waitlist is massive due to restrictions at gps and hospitals.

far more are and will die of other causes than covid due to the balance going too far in the wrong direction.
 
ctwrd said:
The biggest problem is not the unconsistency and nonsensical nature of the rules and poor handling of the crisis but that you are better off getting COVID than cancer right now.

get COVID symptoms you get a test, those with early signs of cancer feel discouraged from seeking help and when do waitlist is massive due to restrictions at gps and hospitals.

far more are and will die of other causes than covid due to the balance going too far in the wrong direction.
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Sustaining cancer services is one of the reasons why it’s so important to try to keep on top of the Covid virus.
 
ctwrd said:
The biggest problem is not the unconsistency and nonsensical nature of the rules and poor handling of the crisis but that you are better off getting COVID than cancer right now.

get COVID symptoms you get a test, those with early signs of cancer feel discouraged from seeking help and when do waitlist is massive due to restrictions at gps and hospitals.

far more are and will die of other causes than covid due to the balance going too far in the wrong direction.
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You're much better off statistically getting Covid than cancer, but many many more people will get Covid and it's this quantity that stops people with possible cancer getting investigated.
By and large the risk factors for severe Covid are similar to cancer.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Sustaining cancer services is one of the reasons why it’s so important to try to keep on top of the Covid virus.
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But they aren’t being sustained and it’s not existing cases but new ones.

there is nothing further that can be done to suppress the virus beyond stopping life which we all know has worse long term effects. It’s so widespread it cannot be stopped.

governments needed to accept that numbers would increase again in autumn winter and act calmly not in the knee jerk way they are doing.

why did we build the nightingale hospitals to handle the COVID casss and leave room for existing needs if we were going to turn around and say there isn’t the staff to run them. Why build them then.
 
ctwrd said:
But they aren’t being sustained and it’s not existing cases but new ones.

there is nothing further that can be done to suppress the virus beyond stopping life which we all know has worse long term effects. It’s so widespread it cannot be stopped.

governments needed to accept that numbers would increase again in autumn winter and act calmly not in the knee jerk way they are doing.

why did we build the nightingale hospitals to handle the COVID casss and leave room for existing needs if we were going to turn around and say there isn’t the staff to run them. Why build them then.
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They are going to be used for covid patients to get better in once they are through the worst , you can use any staff for that and leave the rest in place , no point having extra staff hanging about waiting till they are open , as in hospitals everyday there will be a rejig

Just on cancer , the womens screening is still happening if you want it ,in my area that is
 
kaz7 said:
They are going to be used for covid patients to get better in once they are through the worst , you can use any staff for that and leave the rest in place , no point having extra staff hanging about waiting till they are open , as in hospitals everyday there will be a rejig
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There isn’t the staff apparently. That’s what is being said by the scientists when asked why they can’t take the load
 
ctwrd said:
There isn’t the staff apparently. That’s what is being said by the scientists when asked why they can’t take the load
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There is the staff , tens of thousands came back to the frontline , there is maybe not enough intensive care staff to use them as intended , is that what he meant ?
 
ctwrd said:
But they aren’t being sustained and it’s not existing cases but new ones.

there is nothing further that can be done to suppress the virus beyond stopping life which we all know has worse long term effects. It’s so widespread it cannot be stopped.

governments needed to accept that numbers would increase again in autumn winter and act calmly not in the knee jerk way they are doing.

why did we build the nightingale hospitals to handle the COVID casss and leave room for existing needs if we were going to turn around and say there isn’t the staff to run them. Why build them then.
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I posted a few days ago how the National Director for Cancer Services wanted more people to come forward for tests / assessments who thought they might have cancer. I also referred to the video showing how The Christie was sustaining services.

I don’t know what your “solution”is but if it’s to let the virus run riot then that really would demolish lots of other services.
 
I have not had any chance to see anythmm in h today. Are cases up or down?
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I posted a few days ago how the National Director for Cancer Services wanted more people to come forward for tests / assessments who thought they might have cancer. I also referred to the video showing how The Christie was sustaining services.

I don’t know what your “solution”is but if it’s to let the virus run riot then that really would demolish lots of other services.
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That is not what I would propose.
Distancing and coverings on public transport and other confined spaces.
But otherwise sensible rules (ie. not have cinemas open but stadiums not)
Allow minimal household contact (eg. Nominate another household or two to bubble with rather than rule of 6 or nothing)

banning drugs doesn’t work so why we think these unenforceable restrictions will I don’t understand. Giving a little sensible
Licence to mix would see greater compliance
 
ctwrd said:
That is not what I would propose.
Distancing and coverings on public transport and other confined spaces.
But otherwise sensible rules (ie. not have cinemas open but stadiums not)
Allow minimal household contact (eg. Nominate another household or two to bubble with rather than rule of 6 or nothing)

banning drugs doesn’t work so why we think these unenforceable restrictions will I don’t understand. Giving a little sensible
Licence to mix would see greater compliance
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if we had proper testing and track and trace you could propose a network of households i.e. (2 generations of the same family) who would be in a support group, and everyone has regular testing and if they all test negative for x number of tests they're allowed to visit each other, would be really useful for Christmas but sadly the system is a shit-show.
 
worsleyweb said:
I have not had any chance to see anythmm in h today. Are cases up or down?
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The UK has reported another 174 coronavirus deaths and 23,012 more cases in the latest 24-hour period.

The amount of positive tests is higher than the 20,530 infections confirmed on Friday, government data showed.

The number of fatalities - within 28 days of a diagnosis - is fewer than yesterday's total of 224, while 44,745 people have died with the disease in total.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
if we had proper testing and track and trace you could propose a network of households i.e. (2 generations of the same family) who would be in a support group, and everyone has regular testing and if they all test negative for x number of tests they're allowed to visit each other, would be really useful for Christmas but sadly the system is a shit-show.
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But the current system is you can see as many people as you like up to 6 at a time (except when in lockdown)

there is a middle ground.

Even a super efficient test and trace doesnt work with such high numbers
 
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