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blueish swede said:
That aged well!

New recommendations as of today:
No to indoor environments like libraries, gyms, bars, shops, baths, museums.
No to sports events, concerts, exhibitions.
Avoid public transport.
Work from home where possible.
No to visiting other peoples homes.
No physical contact with people outside your household.
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So they've shut libraries, gyms, bars, shops and museums?

I think from day one Sweden have always suggested working from home?

The other measures to the best of my knowledge have always been "recommendations" unlike here where it is mostly mandatory.

You anywhere near Stockholm?
 
Two Gun Bob said:
Instead of overspill into Nightingales why could we not have utilised them as our primary treatment centres and if nessasary allow minimal over-spill back to the hospitals. This would have freed up our wards for non Covid treatment presuming of course we have staffing capabilities to enable this and also as an addendum minimize spread. Keeping contaminated people together in one primary location seems a fairly sensible call to me. Just asking like ?
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Don't know really but would guess it was down to equipment and staffing, as the Nightingales used volunteers, returning nhs staff, armed forces etc. I know the few that were used were used for recovering patients. They were equipped with ventilators but as far as I know they were never used, but remember seeing pictures from those ventilated patients and was shocked just how many doctors , nurses , physios were required per shift in an icu room with just a handfull of beds. All staff that would usually be employed in other aspects of care in the hospitals that needed to be cancelled.
 
Two Gun Bob said:
Instead of overspill into Nightingales why could we not have utilised them as our primary treatment centres and if necessary allowed minimal over-spill back to the hospitals. This would have freed up our wards for non Covid treatment, presuming of course we have staffing capabilities to enable this and also as an addendum minimised spread. Keeping contaminated people together in one primary location seems a fairly sensible call to me. Just asking like ?
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Nightingale, and it was the same here in Spain with pop up hospitals, are just a publicity stunt. They simply don’t have the staff to have full capacity hospitals and then all the extra nurses and equipment they would need in other places.

Although I saw today that in Czech they are doing 1 day courses for volunteers to learn how to care for covid patients. Apparently 7000 people took them up on it on the first day! Something like that is the only way that the Nightingale could work.
 
If there are 100,000 people infected each day in the uk as estimated. Wouldn’t that mean that 1 in 67 people have it and that on average every 67 days the whole population has then had it?

I just don’t understand how if there’s 100,000 new infections every day how that is not fantastic news and means there is no need to lockdown as the hospitalisation/death numbers is even smaller as a % of total cases than is the case based on the tested case numbers
 
The regional hospital data is actually good news for the North West, probably a consequence of falling cases otside GM and hopefully to follow here too.

Patients ///// Ventilators


London up 55 to 847 (575 last wk) //// up 118 to 124 (89 last wk)

Midlands up 139 to 1705 (1085 last wk) //// up 171 to 204 (122 last wk)

North East/Yorkshire up 81 to 2158 (1459 last wk) //// up 147 to 150 ( 109 last wk)


As you see big weekly rise in the Midlands in both patients and ventilators NE/Yorks a 50% increase too.

But the NW by comparison has had a better week despite being at the highest level. Though the most have died (to no doubt reduce ventilator numbers) in that week too. Though Midlands and NE/Yorks are catching up on that number of deaths too.

North West patients up just 25 to 2508. ( 2045 last wk) - as you can see easily the lowest increase week to week. About 20% versus 50% rises in London and Yorkshire and even higher in the midlands

And NW ventilators down for second day running from 212 to 210 (185 last wk) . Almost below the Midlands now after the smallest increase in this number across the regions and being 63 more than the MIdlands a week ago.

This is good news I would say .
 
ctwrd said:
If there are 100,000 people infected each day in the uk as estimated. Wouldn’t that mean that 1 in 67 people have it and that on average every 67 days the whole population has then had it?

I just don’t understand how if there’s 100,000 new infections every day how that is not fantastic news and means there is no need to lockdown as the hospitalisation/death numbers is even smaller as a % of total cases than is the case based on the tested case numbers
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1 in 670
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Well its clearly not further away than ever is it? Even if antibodies do fall, we are slowly going towards herd immunity while people are getting infected. Its not further away!

Also you forgot the other positive item from that research, IE if you do catch it again you are not as likely to be as ill the second time round.
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Antibodies which are produced by B cells aren’t the full picture. They are finding T cells which regulate the immune response and produce cytotoxins are maybe more important.
A good article on it here ...
www.newscientist.com

What are T-cells and why have they become a political football?

Scanning electron micrograph of a human T-cell Throughout the coronavirus pandemic there have been fierce debates over the science – when to lock down, whether face coverings help and whether children are less susceptible, for example. The latest row is over whether we have been ignoring a...
www.newscientist.com www.newscientist.com
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Last 14 days Denmark had more new infections and a higher death rate per 100,000.

New infections: Sweden 159.2 Denmark: 165

Deaths: Sweden 0.3 Denmark 0.7
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Total deaths over pandemic per million population:
Sweden 587 Denmark 122
Current infection rates are near identical.

Bottom line: Over the whole course of the pandemic, Sweden has a five fold higher death rate, and has actually had more restrictions for much of the time.

How about we learn from Denmark?

Denmark, by the way, has a testing rate nearly double ours.
 
jay_mcfc said:
Nightingale, and it was the same here in Spain with pop up hospitals, are just a publicity stunt. They simply don’t have the staff to have full capacity hospitals and then all the extra nurses and equipment they would need in other places.

Although I saw today that in Czech they are doing 1 day courses for volunteers to learn how to care for covid patients. Apparently 7000 people took them up on it on the first day! Something like that is the only way that the Nightingale could work.
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One day course, would hate to be a patient
 
ctwrd said:
If there are 100,000 people infected each day in the uk as estimated. Wouldn’t that mean that 1 in 67 people have it and that on average every 67 days the whole population has then had it?

I just don’t understand how if there’s 100,000 new infections every day how that is not fantastic news and means there is no need to lockdown as the hospitalisation/death numbers is even smaller as a % of total cases than is the case based on the tested case numbers
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Maths looks iffy
 
blueparrot said:
If we'd have followed Sweden, the NHS would have been overwhelmed it came close in April. Sweden is nothing like the UK / or England at least no matter how many times you try and compare them.May as well say we should have followed New Zealand which is equally pointless as a comparison as we are nothing like them either.
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I always hear people say this, but why was our curve identical to Sweden's until the point of lockdown? If we are that different, why would this be?
 
jay_mcfc said:
Nightingale, and it was the same here in Spain with pop up hospitals, are just a publicity stunt. They simply don’t have the staff to have full capacity hospitals and then all the extra nurses and equipment they would need in other places.

Although I saw today that in Czech they are doing 1 day courses for volunteers to learn how to care for covid patients. Apparently 7000 people took them up on it on the first day! Something like that is the only way that the Nightingale could work.
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A one day course you say ? Cant be all that difficult keeping an eye on someone who's fast asleep, so why not. If ever I succumb to this dreadful virus I shall take my chances at home with a nice Lemsip, than chance arm with some excitable volunteer, as commendable as they may be. I might draw a bad straw and get some nutjob that likes taking anal temperatures and that cant be right in any civilized setting,
 
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bluegray said:
I caught covid back in May. After being clear for 28 days I went to Plymouth Grove blood centre to give plasma. After each donation I get an email within a couple of days saying my antibodys are still at a level in which they can use my plasma to give to ill patients. Today was my 7th time with another appointment booked for 2 weeks. Be interesting to see how long I keep producing them, I read an article the other day in which a man gave his 10th and was the first to get to that number.
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A nice read, it’s good to see you are giving something back to the community, much better than reading about those who take, take, take
 
Eds said:
It's odd how London with its population, tube travel etc, all the protests have managed to have less than half the number of reported cases than we have in the NW. I wonder if it's because they had it worse to start with and since train / tube travel is well down there are fewer interactions compared to the morons who inhabit the NW. Strange anomaly.
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It goes in waves. London will still be going up once we've plateau'd I would expect.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Total deaths over pandemic per million population:
Sweden 587 Denmark 122
Current infection rates are near identical.

Bottom line: Over the whole course of the pandemic, Sweden has a five fold higher death rate, and has actually had more restrictions for much of the time.

How about we learn from Denmark?

Denmark, by the way, has a testing rate nearly double ours.
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I heard today that Sweden only tests 100k per month?
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Total deaths over pandemic per million population:
Sweden 587 Denmark 122
Current infection rates are near identical.

Bottom line: Over the whole course of the pandemic, Sweden has a five fold higher death rate, and has actually had more restrictions for much of the time.

How about we learn from Denmark?

Denmark, by the way, has a testing rate nearly double ours.
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Great idea.... best practise?
 
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