The Scottish Politics thread

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Shadz69 said:
No I didnt,I think the EU are happy enough with things there for now. If Ireland reunifies in the next two decades they would see it as a success. Remember it was Johnson who gave NI away.
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We arent anyones to give away, and there will never be a a complete reunified Ireland...there will always be "british" involvement in NI...
 
Shadz69 said:
Yeah,all hypothetical of course but there isnt a one size fits all route to membership.
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good to see some sensible debate on this thread mate. Some just throw themselves into hysterics at the very thought of it. For sure it wont be without bumps and challenges but anyone that thinks Scotland can't survive as an independent nation given its natural assets and capability is wrong.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
good to see some sensible debate on this thread mate. Some just throw themselves into hysterics at the very thought of it. For sure it wont be without bumps and challenges but anyone that thinks Scotland can't survive as an independent nation given its natural assets and capability is wrong.
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Of course it would be hard but a lot can be accomplished when political aims merge. I dont want to get into it with anyone when it all so far away.@banjani. As ever the non english members of the union are underestimated by some.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Regardless...whilst i creep more and more in favour of a UI, itll never happen in the purest sense. It cant....but thats a discussion for a different thread
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Oh I am more than happy with things as they stand, far from perfect but I never thought I would see peace here in my lifetime.
Apologies for the give away comment.
 
Shadz69 said:
Of course it would be hard but a lot can be accomplished when political aims merge. I dont want to get into it with anyone when it all so far away.@banjani. As ever the non english members of the union are underestimated by some.
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I’d love for you and @Saddleworth2 to change what you’re saying ever so slightly and replace Independence for Scotland with Brexit.

Its exactly the same sort of defence, I only wish you’d realise.

I don’t underestimate Scotland, I’m saying it’s a ridiculously bad idea, and it’ll be bad for England too (even if less so).

I didn’t underestimate the UK when I voted remain either.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’d love for you and @Saddleworth2 to change what you’re saying ever so slightly and replace Independence for Scotland with Brexit.

Its exactly the same sort of defence, I only wish you’d realise.

I don’t underestimate Scotland, I’m saying it’s a ridiculously bad idea, and it’ll be bad for England too (even if less so).

I didn’t underestimate the UK when I voted remain either.
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Brexits happening,Scottish independece is not. The UK from the outside looking in looks in disarry politically. I think the Scots can learn a lot from the Brexit and so will avoid many of the traps the Tories keep walking themselves into.
 
Shadz69 said:
Brexits happening,Scottish independece is not. The UK from the outside looking in looks in disarry politically. I think the Scots can learn a lot from the Brexit and so will avoid many of the traps the Tories keep walking themselves into.
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Scottish Independence is going to take over Brexit within the next 2 years, in terms of political debate, it’ll be back on the front pages soon enough.
 
I think everyone who's thought it through knows that Scexit will be an economic disaster for all corners of Britain but especially in the North. But the SDL aren't appealing to reason: like other nationalists, they appeal to visceral emotion hence why they announced their plans for another referendum on St. Andrew's Day.
 
Fame Monster said:
I think everyone who's thought it through knows that Scexit will be an economic disaster for all corners of Britain but especially in the North. But the SDL aren't appealing to reason: like other nationalists, they appeal to visceral emotion hence why they announced their plans for another referendum on St. Andrew's Day.
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I’ve just read the SGC report on independence again. I couldn’t find any visceral emotion in it although I did put that term in the search engine.
I take it you have read it? It raises a lot of questions obviously but it is an intelligent piece of work albeit the full impact of Brexit or Covid have not been addressed. ( it was produced in 2018)
 
Saddleworth2 said:
good to see some sensible debate on this thread mate. Some just throw themselves into hysterics at the very thought of it. For sure it wont be without bumps and challenges but anyone that thinks Scotland can't survive as an independent nation given its natural assets and capability is wrong.
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I know this will provoke Orkney independence posts but whatever.
Boris Johnson himself made a decent case for independence when he was in Orkney. He said.

“But now what you want to do is build back better together with a green recovery and here in Orkney they are streets ahead on hydrogen technology, on green technology.
“Around Orkney they could supply 25% of the UK’s energy needs if they had the infrastructure to go with it so we’re looking at ways to support the council here, to support local leaders in their ambitions.”

So that was Orkney ,imagine the renewable energy Scotland as a whole could generate and export with the investment in infrastructure to go with it. That money whether as a UK or an independent Scotland should have been being poured in from Oil money for years now. Sadly that time of oil returns is running short, but it’s still an investment that should be happening and as part of the UK isn’t.
www.bbc.co.uk

Could Scotland ever be 'the Saudi Arabia of renewables'?

Not for the first time, politicians highlight Scotland's potential to generate renewable energy.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
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blueparrot said:
I know this will provoke Orkney independence posts but whatever.
Boris Johnson himself made a decent case for independence when he was in Orkney. He said.

“But now what you want to do is build back better together with a green recovery and here in Orkney they are streets ahead on hydrogen technology, on green technology.
“Around Orkney they could supply 25% of the UK’s energy needs if they had the infrastructure to go with it so we’re looking at ways to support the council here, to support local leaders in their ambitions.”
in Orkney and said.”

So that was Orkney ,imagine the renewable energy Scotland as a whole could generate and export with the investment in infrastructure to go with it. That money whether as a UK or an independent Scotland should have been being poured in from Oil money for years now. Sadly that time of oil returns is running short, but it’s still an investment that should be happening and as part of the UK isn’t.
www.bbc.co.uk

Could Scotland ever be 'the Saudi Arabia of renewables'?

Not for the first time, politicians highlight Scotland's potential to generate renewable energy.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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blueparrot said:
I know this will provoke Orkney independence posts but whatever.
Boris Johnson himself made a decent case for independence when he was in Orkney. He said.

“But now what you want to do is build back better together with a green recovery and here in Orkney they are streets ahead on hydrogen technology, on green technology.
“Around Orkney they could supply 25% of the UK’s energy needs if they had the infrastructure to go with it so we’re looking at ways to support the council here, to support local leaders in their ambitions.”
in Orkney and said.”

So that was Orkney ,imagine the renewable energy Scotland as a whole could generate and export with the investment in infrastructure to go with it. That money whether as a UK or an independent Scotland should have been being poured in from Oil money for years now. Sadly that time of oil returns is running short, but it’s still an investment that should be happening and as part of the UK isn’t.
www.bbc.co.uk

Could Scotland ever be 'the Saudi Arabia of renewables'?

Not for the first time, politicians highlight Scotland's potential to generate renewable energy.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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We are heading towards 100% of power generated by renewables in 2020. The potential is enormous.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’d love for you and @Saddleworth2 to change what you’re saying ever so slightly and replace Independence for Scotland with Brexit.

Its exactly the same sort of defence, I only wish you’d realise.

I don’t underestimate Scotland, I’m saying it’s a ridiculously bad idea, and it’ll be bad for England too (even if less so).

I didn’t underestimate the UK when I voted remain either.
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Brexit is the UK leaving a single market of 515 million consumers and retaining a single market of 65 million. Scexit would be Scotland leaving a single market of 65 million consumers and replacing it with a single market of 455 million.
 
west didsblue said:
Brexit is the UK leaving a single market of 515 million consumers and retaining a single market of 65 million. Scexit would be Scotland leaving a single market of 65 million consumers and replacing it with a single market of 455 million.
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And I would be able to stay in my second, third and fourth home just whenever I wanted :-)
 
west didsblue said:
Brexit is the UK leaving a single market of 515 million consumers and retaining a single market of 65 million. Scexit would be Scotland leaving a single market of 65 million consumers and replacing it with a single market of 455 million.
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I can answer this if you wish me to but I think we both know there’s many many more factors involved in that point, a key one being Scotland isn’t a separate country like the UK was/is.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I’ve just read the SGC report on independence again. I couldn’t find any visceral emotion in it although I did put that term in the search engine.
I take it you have read it? It raises a lot of questions obviously but it is an intelligent piece of work albeit the full impact of Brexit or Covid have not been addressed. ( it was produced in 2018)
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Yep, read it, wasn't convinced.
 
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