The Scottish Politics thread

The way I feel just now I would pay good money to get away from the fuckwits running the U.K. that’s not the most positive reason but it’s true. I see no sign that this shitshow will end anytime soon.

the Scottish government need to present their plans, warts and all, to the Scottish people. If we then choose independence it is with open eyes regarding the long and tricky road taken. Better we make our own mistakes than have those of others foisted on us.
And then directly hold those responsible to account.
Same argument I have, but on another topic. ;)
 
The way I feel just now I would pay good money to get away from the fuckwits running the U.K. that’s not the most positive reason but it’s true. I see no sign that this shitshow will end anytime soon.

the Scottish government need to present their plans, warts and all, to the Scottish people. If we then choose independence it is with open eyes regarding the long and tricky road taken. Better we make our own mistakes than have those of others foisted on us.
How do you feel about having 20% more money than the English regions foisted on you? Considering you are still part of the UK. Do you think that is fair? Honest question.
 
It will take anywhere between 40 and 80yrs of oil revenues just to pay for the decomissioning of the oil fields. I expect sturgeon would like the UK to pick up that bill?
I have no idea mate what she thinks. I havent a clue if the oil fImelda even need to be decommissioned any time soon or if indeed a government will require to pay for that rather than the oil companies.

The assets and liabilities of the U.K. need to be apportioned fairly in the circumstances of Scottish independence. That is a Principle that is accepted (at least on the Scottish side).
 
How do you feel about having 20% more money than the English regions foisted on you? Considering you are still part of the UK. Do you think that is fair? Honest question.
So you didnt respond to my detailed questions about the Barnett formula. So I am left with the assumption that you aren’t that close to how it works and why scotland gets more per head than most other regions.
Notwithstanding that, I will give you an honest answer and that is that I don’t know. There are reasons why Scotland gets more and I have outlined them in my prior post. Wether those reasons justify the Gap between the average English region and Scotland I don’t know and I will wager neither do you or any other poster, as to truly understand them you would need to understand the costs of the different public service model Scotland has, the detail of the Scottish water costs, understand financially why it’s more expensive to deliver public services in less populated areas.
Conceptually of course it does but I can’t tell you how much more.

all I can say is that U.K. government after U.K. government have thought it fair enough to continue and not change. Can you tell me if it’s fair that the NW have the single biggest Financial deficit of any region in the U.K.?

should NI and Wales get more than any other English region per head, should London have greater spend per head than Manchester?
 
Interesting to see how sturgeon and the snp would be doing if they had the same money per person as the English regions have to run their government north of the border and were not subsidised by the rest of the UK to the tune of £1.20 to every pound. I doubt she would be flying as high in the polls as she is. Conveniently she doesn't mention that litlle fact very often. Lol

Round and round we go.

Do you have that one copied on standby?

Been over it. Wrong, and tedious.

(my response in itself is neither a defense of the snp nor an argument for independence, just challenging the same old rhetoric)
 
Define “a lot”.

Rural areas of Scotland are predominantly inhabited by the English, folk that have worked and made money in cities with higher income, and moved to the countryside. Most that i have seen seem to love it, and be loved. They also absolutely make the tourism industry tick, run the pubs, b&bs, shops etc etc.

So rural aread voting largely snp (urban less of a surprise) does mean a lot od English vote snp, it can't mean anything else.
 
Rural areas of Scotland are predominantly inhabited by the English, folk that have worked and made money in cities with higher income, and moved to the countryside. Most that i have seen seem to love it, and be loved. They also absolutely make the tourism industry tick, run the pubs, b&bs, shops etc etc.

So rural aread voting largely snp (urban less of a surprise) does mean a lot od English vote snp, it can't mean anything else.
I know quite a few English people around here, myself included that have voted SNP in the past, I know even more including the rest of my family, intending to vote SNP next year. Will they all vote for indendence, no, but more are thinking about it.
 
So you didnt respond to my detailed questions about the Barnett formula. So I am left with the assumption that you aren’t that close to how it works and why scotland gets more per head than most other regions.
Notwithstanding that, I will give you an honest answer and that is that I don’t know. There are reasons why Scotland gets more and I have outlined them in my prior post. Wether those reasons justify the Gap between the average English region and Scotland I don’t know and I will wager neither do you or any other poster, as to truly understand them you would need to understand the costs of the different public service model Scotland has, the detail of the Scottish water costs, understand financially why it’s more expensive to deliver public services in less populated areas.
Conceptually of course it does but I can’t tell you how much more.

all I can say is that U.K. government after U.K. government have thought it fair enough to continue and not change. Can you tell me if it’s fair that the NW have the single biggest Financial deficit of any region in the U.K.?

should NI and Wales get more than any other English region per head, should London have greater spend per head than Manchester?
I did read it and did respond. I know why it was brought in. But it is antiquated, clearly unfair and now used as a political election tool buy any UK governing party to gain favour north of the border. They are also running scared of getting rid of it for the same reason. It need abolishing immediately and populace expenditure for all in the UK based on a needs basis. Wales and NI included. Capital infrasture expenditure aside.

It's odd but not surprising that whenever the Barnet formula and the resulting extra money is mentioned many Scots hide behind the rather selfish its our money argument like mpole or decline to state it is unfair like yourself. Many strong socialist values seem to evaporate coincidentally at the same time. Perhaps you would have a stronger case for independence and a real grievance and not a perceived one if you received 20% less than the English regions?

Wales and NI don't appear to have such a perceived grievance as the Scots run by the SNP.
 
Round and round we go.

Do you have that one copied on standby?

Been over it. Wrong, and tedious.

(my response in itself is neither a defense of the snp nor an argument for independence, just challenging the same old rhetoric)

Oh dear another Scot in denial.
 
I did read it and did respond. I know why it was brought in. But it is antiquated, clearly unfair and now used as a political election tool buy any UK governing party to gain favour north of the border. They are also running scared of getting rid of it for the same reason. It need abolishing immediately and populace expenditure for all in the UK based on a needs basis. Wales and NI included. Capital infrasture expenditure aside.

It's odd but not surprising that whenever the Barnet formula and the resulting extra money is mentioned many Scots hide behind the rather selfish its our money argument like mpole or decline to state it is unfair like yourself. Many strong socialist values seem to evaporate coincidentally at the same time. Perhaps you would have a stronger case for independence and a real grievance and not a perceived one if you received 20% less than the English regions?

Wales and NI don't appear to have such a perceived grievance as the Scots run by the SNP.
It is you that seems to have a grievance mate
Not a word of detail in your response. 'Its clearly unfair'.

Well if thats the best you can do lets leave it at that.
 

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