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More on the 489 England hospital deaths.

Regions: London 124, South East 118, Midlands 110, East 61, NE & Yorkshire 54, North West 13. South West 9

Most in local hospital areas Derby 18, Barts London 17, Barking, East Kent and West Sussex 16 each.

Highest in NW - Mid Cheshire 4. (Most places do not register Sunday data in NW remember).
 
cleavers said:
They can if they want, they know who has the slots booked, and most of them have some kind of loyalty card scheme, so they know something about the demographic of their customers.

I stopped using Tesco as right at the start of the pandemic, they didn't give a shit for their own staff or customers, and allowed too many in because it made them more money, well they've not had a penny of mine since April. {edit not quite true - I use their petrol stations, but that hasn't been much.}
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I'm fairly sure that fuel is a loss-leader for them and other supermarkets, so you're actually taking money off them if that's all you buy.
 
cleavers said:
No it's not, but selfish dickheads booking slots weeks in advance is preventing more vulnerable people from getting "click and collect" slots. Supermarkets could prevent that if they wanted, by not allowing anyone household having more than one slot booked, but most are only really interested in profit.

I checked our supermarket last night to see when I could next "click and collect", and it was into February, and there were no delivery slots available at all. Luckily I've just been round, and it was fully stocked and virtually deserted, more staff than customers.

You can't "stay at home" without food.
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If you are registered as vulnerable supermarkets give you preferential treatment when booking slots.
You need to let them know though.
 
mexico1970 said:
If people can get to the supermarket without having to shield then they should do, it shouldn't be just for convenience or because they can. Slots should be prioritised for those who genuinely need it.
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There are plenty slots for those that want it. Both delivery and click and collect. I think all the supermarkets have schemes that prioritise the at risk.
I have to say I have been super impressed by Tesco in particular during the pandemic. They seem to have the remote shopping for groceries very well organised. You can also order Morrison through Amazon prime. That works well too.
 
Claytop said:
I think you’re having a go at the wrong thing here tbf, maybe based of personal circumstances. There’s plenty to have a go at over the handling of all this but being one of the leading countries in getting the vaccine administered is not one of them for me.
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With respect I disagree.

I am not criticising the numbers for goodness sake. But just look at how many posts are in here about confused vulnerable relatives - not just my friend - who are puzzled as to why they are seeing people far younger than them and less ill being vaccinated and they are yet to hear a thing.

The last thing they were told to do is NOT call doctors to ask as they were told it would not help. Now many are having to do that as they think they have been missed.

It may not BE a lottery or down to who shouts loudest but creating the impression that this is what is happening is not great.

If I was one of these people seeing the news and shielded for 10 months not 10 days I would be asking big questions.

But I know how vaccinating the ones in most need was obvious as they are clearly the most likely to die if they catch it. But I don't see much evidence they have prioritised the MOST vulnerable over the ones they can easily get to in large numbers day to day.

Early on with the original vaccine that was hard to avoid but now with the Oxford jab they should be doing this over creating numbers that make them top of some league table that will look rather silly if they also top the most deaths per capita by ignoring the reality of need over numbers.
 
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mexico1970 said:
If people can get to the supermarket without having to shield then they should do, it shouldn't be just for convenience or because they can. Slots should be prioritised for those who genuinely need it.
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They are

www.moneysavingexpert.com

How to access groceries if you're vulnerable and 'shielding' due to coronavirus

Over a million people classed as 'extremely vulnerable' (or 'very high risk') have been asked to stay at home until at least the end of June 2020, to protect themselves from the current coronavirus pandemic. And there are many more who fall into a 'high-risk' category. Along with health...
www.moneysavingexpert.com www.moneysavingexpert.com

and

Support for shielders from supermarkets | Disability Rights UK

www.disabilityrightsuk.org www.disabilityrightsuk.org
 
This is what needs to happen everywhere , in every shop, the supermarkets have security , they need to use them , anyone can wear a mask for 15 mins

Face masks are now compulsory in London's Borough Market - which has become the first outdoor space in the UK to legally enforce the rule.

From today, customers and vendors at the food and drink market will face a £50 fine if they do not wear a face covering in and around the stalls

news.sky.com

COVID news live - latest updates: WHO warns over global vaccine rollout - as debate starts as to who gets jab next in UK

Latest updates as: UK records 599 new COVID deaths and currently has the highest daily death rate per capita in the world.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
The REMAP-CAP study found there was no benefit in using convalescent plasma in seriously ill patients in intensive care.

The researchers have paused treatment following interim analysis of 900 patients.

They will analyse the full data from 2,000 patients, but in the meantime will switch to treating hospitalised patients who are moderately unwell

Same blog as above , all the latest is there
 
Healdplace said:
The full data will be published later from all the nations so we will see.

But they are stoking up so much disquiet over the ad hoc way they are dishing out vaccines that they are in danger of creating the wrong impression for the over 80s who are vulnerable.

As I and others have been posting here for days somehow plenty of them have been missed when under 60s have had it by all accounts just by happenstance.

At a time when they are being told we are in the worst mess imaginable they could end up with vulnerable elderly camping outside the vaccine centres who have heard nothing in hope they might be given the jab by just being there.

Why is our organisation of so many things in this pandemic resembling plans created as they go along not actually planned?
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Absolutely.
As far as I can tell, some is the time that centres are set up - Preston (where my parents are) only got some on Friday, I think, but there just is no clarity on process/timing.

I really hope the army chap is there again, and that questions on the timetabling are put forward. I will not be at all surprised if they don't have an answer, but I expect them to be able to do so within about 2 days.

I expect they will tell of the 700+ centres, but not whether they actually have any vaccines yet, and how any individual can find out if they've been overlooked.
Has every GP or pharmacy now been contacted with details? If not, what the hell have they been doing for a week?
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Absolutely.
As far as I can tell, some is the time that centres are set up - Preston (where my parents are) only got some on Friday, I think, but there just is no clarity on process/timing.

I really hope the army chap is there again, and that questions on the timetabling are put forward. I will not be at all surprised if they don't have an answer, but I expect them to be able to do so within about 2 days.

I expect they will tell of the 700+ centres, but not whether they actually have any vaccines yet, and how any individual can find out if they've been overlooked.
Has every GP or pharmacy now been contacted with details? If not, what the hell have they been doing for a week?
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vaccinating about half a million people. Highest in Europe. 6th highest per capita in the world.
 
THIS might be very good news. But for now is just tentative and needs bearing out in coming days.

England 489 hospital deaths by age:

20 - 39 (4) 0.8%

40 - 59 (31) 6.4%

60 - 79 (205) (42%}

80 + (249) (50.9%)

This is the closest I recall the top two age brackets being together in numbers

Is this the first hint that the deaths in over 80s are falling now many have been vaccinated?
 
worsleyweb said:
vaccinating about half a million people. Highest in Europe. 6th highest per capita in the world.
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That doesn't involve everybody in logistics, and I assume you are deliberately missing the point.

Planning for the future and telling people what to expect is important. How does an 80 year old find out? When will they find out by? What do they do if they don't hear? These are all critical matters, as they work for every band.

The logistics and planning is absolutely not governmental, I've said this before. This is simple operational planning, and far exceeds the ability of any British politician.
 
Healdplace said:
THIS might be very good news. But for now is just tentative and needs bearing out in coming days.

England 489 hospital deaths by age:

20 - 39 (4) 0.8%

40 - 59 (31) 6.4%

60 - 79 (205) (42%}

80 + (249) (50.9%)

This is the closest I recall the top two age brackets being together in numbers

Is this the first hint that the deaths in over 80s are falling now many have been vaccinated?
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Wonder what the trend is over the last three weeks
 
Del_Bosque said:
There’s an update on vaccines today

will it be daily from now on or has that not started get

was reading that average age in the ICU is around 60, while deaths is 80 plus

so deaths may drop off massively after the first lot of vaccinations, ICU pressure will still be there till all over 50’s are done
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Dead right. We won't be ablee to let it rip and go for herd immunity till the end of March.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
That doesn't involve everybody in logistics, and I assume you are deliberately missing the point.

Planning for the future and telling people what to expect is important. How does an 80 year old find out? When will they find out by? What do they do if they don't hear? These are all critical matters, as they work for every band.

The logistics and planning is absolutely not governmental, I've said this before. This is simple operational planning, and far exceeds the ability of any British politician.
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hence why they have brought the army in. You will find anecdotal stories all the way through this. Does not change the success of how many have been vaccinated so quickly.
 
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