Political relations between UK-EU

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meltonblue said:
Your second sentence is just simply not true and also contradicts the contract. There’s always been planned distribution to the EU from the U.K. sites and vice versatility, the company I work for does some of the logistics for it.

You’re right that’s the main reason for the shortfall. It’s the reason AZ gave for not providing some (more) from the U.K. site that’s caused the issue though.
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Truth is you and I don't know what the contract states.

The company I work for IS AstraZeneca and as my previous comments on this forum allude to, I'm close to this project.
 
Del_Bosque said:
I think the big one that people are missing is that Oxford only gave AZ permission to distribute the vaccine because they promised the UK 100million doses from it's UK sites as a priority.

Without that deal, there's no deal for the EU, US anywhere
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Are you saying Oxford would have refused permission to distribute a vaccine during a global pandemic if the UK didn’t get priority?
 
BobKowalski said:
It‘s a contract, they don’t actually work on a first come, first served basis.

Contract A: We agree to supply you with ten nuts by Jan 31st.

Contract B: We agree to supply Bob with twenty nuts by Jan 31st.

Come Jan 31st I want my twenty fucking nuts as per the contract. Not five nuts and wibble about having to give ten to someone else. Not my problem.

The next bit is me having a temper tantrum and flicking my poop at the walls because I haven’t got my nuts, which is pretty much the EU right now, and while momentarily satisfying it isn’t going to get me my nuts.
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Don’t forget, this is all decided under Belgian law.

Fortunately we have a forum full of experts on precisely that subject.
 
Murph said:
And the point you dismissed about yields? Its explained in the interview why the EU factory yields are poor compared to the UK factory yields. The EU's vaccine planning and rollout has been a disgrace, anyone defending their incompetence needs to give their head a good fucking wobble. Thank fuck we are out as we'd be looking at about 1/3 of our current number of vaccination's if that.
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That it doesn’t matter, the contract specifically says that U.K. and Eu manufacturing sites are to be considered the same and will be the sole locations. That’s why the EU wanted to release the contract as it does contradict his point.

I’m not defending their rollout strategy, I’ve always said it’s shit and they’ve been even more horrendous today. What I don’t like is misinterpreting what’s led to the situation.
 
BobKowalski said:
It‘s a contract, they don’t actually work on a first come, first served basis.

Contract A: We agree to supply you with ten nuts by Jan 31st.

Contract B: We agree to supply Bob with twenty nuts by Jan 31st.

Come Jan 31st I want my twenty fucking nuts as per the contract. Not five nuts and wibble about having to give ten to someone else. Not my problem.

The next bit is me having a temper tantrum and flicking my poop at the walls because I haven’t got my nuts, which is pretty much the EU right now, and while momentarily satisfying it isn’t going to get me my nuts.
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That would be smashing if that is what contract A and contract B said, but they weren’t the same date, we agreed to supply well earlier and it’s why we’re approaching 10 million and the EU have only just approved and as the chap above stated, Oxford gave it to AZ on the basis of supplying to the UK as preference.
 
Del_Bosque said:
Sounds like EU rolling back on Article 16, thankfully
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From 26 mins ago, so my 10pm prediction is a winner...

‘Brussels to withdraw incendiary plan floated hours ago to use new vaccine export curbs to in effect create a hard border between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland, per EU officials. "It was an error. We are changing it," said one EU official of the abortive plan.’ @FT
 
Ban-jani said:
That would be smashing if that is what contract A and contract B said, but they weren’t the same date, we agreed to supply well earlier and it’s why we’re approaching 10 million and the EU have only just approved and as the chap above stated, Oxford gave it to AZ on the basis of supplying to the UK as preference.
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The date is irreverent, and the first contract is irrelevant to the second contract unless you specifically make the second conditional on the first.

They are two separate, stand alone contracts, it’s not a game of ‘dibs’.
 
meltonblue said:
That it doesn’t matter, the contract specifically says that U.K. and Eu manufacturing sites are to be considered the same and will be the sole locations. That’s why the EU wanted to release the contract as it does contradict his point.

I’m not defending their rollout strategy, I’ve always said it’s shit and they’ve been even more horrendous today. What I don’t like is misinterpreting what’s led to the situation.
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You haven't seen the contract and I'm willing to bet that UK made vaccine is NOT going into EU supply chain unless it's excess product which is entering the EU for full specification release testing. In which case it's being done as a favour for the EU. If you're apparently moving vaccine to there it's for that reason and that reason only. The MAA (market authorisation documents) state the manufacturing labs which to my knowledge contains NO UK sites for the EU territory.

Oh P.S. if they are importing UK made vaccine to do full specification release testing, it's approx. 54 days' work to complete.
 
meltonblue said:
That it doesn’t matter, the contract specifically says that U.K. and Eu manufacturing sites are to be considered the same and will be the sole locations. That’s why the EU wanted to release the contract as it does contradict his point.

I’m not defending their rollout strategy, I’ve always said it’s shit and they’ve been even more horrendous today. What I don’t like is misinterpreting what’s led to the situation.
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And what about the UK contract with AstraZeneca? Should AstraZeneca break that to ship doses to the EU, when the UK has been the hardest hit country in Europe?
 
BobKowalski said:
The date is irreverent, and the first contract is irrelevant to the second contract unless you specifically make the second conditional on the first.

They are two separate, stand alone contracts, it’s not a game of ‘dibs’.
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Well they will have to honour the contract to the UK, regardless of their contract with the EU.
 
EU's new stance on the invoking of Article 16:

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