Political relations between UK-EU

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Murph said:
Germany bought 30M extra doses for themselves. Enough of this one for all, all for one bollocks.
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Yeah and that attracted similar criticism. But for this to work we need five billion people vaccinated or we will be forever chasing our tails with this shit.

A fully vaccinated UK is not protected if the rest of Europe isn’t vaccinated, and that includes countries on the periphery. It’s nice we can shake our pompoms at how great we are doing, but it ain’t solving shit if everyone else is lagging behind.
 
BobKowalski said:
Yeah and that attracted similar criticism. But for this to work we need five billion people vaccinated or we will be forever chasing our tails with this shit.

A fully vaccinated UK is not protected if the rest of Europe isn’t vaccinated, and that includes countries on the periphery. It’s nice we can shake our pompoms at how great we are doing, but it ain’t solving shit if everyone else is lagging behind.
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I don't disagree but we've been harder hit by this than most, the government has been piss poor imo, but the one big thing we have got right is the vaccine rollout, I'm not against helping other Country's, the opposite in fact, but we should vaccinate all our vulnerable first.
 
Marlo said:
Oxford are a English university funded by the British government. Government funded research typically comes with some strings attached in either patent, profit or distribution.

Whether you agree with it or not, there is no way a scientific research centre is going to go against it's own government and jeopardise it's future relationship funding status.
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So, Oxford binning the vaccine because Brits weren’t first in the queue helps who exactly? A binned vaccine certainly ain’t helping any Brits is it?

The Pfizer vaccine didn’t come with a German first or an EU first condition as far as I am aware (happy to be corrected on this if I’m wrong). No one was saying ‘unless these people get the vaccine first, it ain’t happening’. Pretty sure we got it first.

Just strikes me as a bit weird.
 
BobKowalski said:
Yeah and that attracted similar criticism. But for this to work we need five billion people vaccinated or we will be forever chasing our tails with this shit.

A fully vaccinated UK is not protected if the rest of Europe isn’t vaccinated, and that includes countries on the periphery. It’s nice we can shake our pompoms at how great we are doing, but it ain’t solving shit if everyone else is lagging behind.
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Should we wait for them to catch up or get the jab done and pitch in?
 
Murph said:
I don't disagree but we've been harder hit by this than most, the government has been piss poor imo, but the one big thing we have got right is the vaccine rollout, I'm not against helping other Country's, the opposite in fact, but we should vaccinate all our vulnerable first.
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Well we did vaccinate first. With an EU developed vaccine manufactured in Belgium. Perhaps they should have left it in the freezer for the vulnerable in Belgium, another country that was hit hard.
 
Read into this what you will...from the EU Prez UVL

‘Constructive talks with Prime Minister Boris Johnson tonight.

We agreed on the principle that there should not be restrictions on the export of vaccines by companies where they are fulfilling contractual responsibilities’
 
BobKowalski said:
Well we did vaccinate first. With an EU developed vaccine manufactured in Belgium. Perhaps they should have left it in the freezer for the vulnerable in Belgium, another country that was hit hard.
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Was the German Gov who funded a lot of the Biontech Vaccine Research

When it got approved here and doses were being shipped, German Gov was kicking off royally that they didn’t have approval from the EMA.

This one wasn’t done at cost though and EU procurement were more interested in getting a good price and indemnity rather than priority guarantees which presumably would have driven the prices up.
 
BobKowalski said:
Yeah and that attracted similar criticism. But for this to work we need five billion people vaccinated or we will be forever chasing our tails with this shit.

A fully vaccinated UK is not protected if the rest of Europe isn’t vaccinated, and that includes countries on the periphery. It’s nice we can shake our pompoms at how great we are doing, but it ain’t solving shit if everyone else is lagging behind.
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im not sure im with you on that 2nd statement,if the EU is vaccinated or not it really has no impact on the UK,we are vaccinating to releive presure on the NHS and save lives,were not vaccinating to eliminte the virus which will most likely be around for many years,why would it matter to this country if Germany remained at 50% vaccination for 12 months or 60% of France refused it,i may have read you wrong and its late,please correct me if im wrong ;-)
 
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MikeF said:
One good reason a ‘superstate’ doesn’t work for me.

And, where were the EU when Italy was first recording cases?

I trust politicians as far as I could throw them but bureacrats, even less so.
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The pandemic has proven two things, when there’s a crisis in one section of a bloc the whole bloc is utterly useless. And when it comes to the need to act quickly in a crisis, the bloc is utterly useless.

Sorry three things, when the latter happens they will try and bully their neighbours who got it right.

Unfortunately for them their neighbours are greatest opponents of tyranny on the continent.
 
Ban-jani said:
The pandemic has proven two things, when there’s a crisis in one section of a bloc the whole bloc is utterly useless. And when it comes to the need to act quickly in a crisis, the bloc is utterly useless.

Sorry three things, when the latter happens they will try and bully their neighbours who got it right.

Unfortunately for them their neighbours are greatest opponents of tyranny on the continent.
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Bang on.
 
marco said:
im not sure im with you on that 2nd statement,if the EU is vaccinated or not it really has no impact on the UK,we are vaccinating to releive presure on the NHS and save lives,were not vaccinating to eliminte the virus which will most likely be around for many years,why would it matter to this country if Germany remained at 50% vaccination for 12 months or 60% of France refused it,i may have read you wrong and its late,please correct me if im wrong ;-)
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Only because if the virus finds sufficient hosts to spread in other countries it will also mutate (as it has done already) and the fully vaccinated population in the UK may not be protected or fully protected against the mutated strains.

We take millions of trips abroad so it wouldn’t take much for people to pick up a new strain and start spreading it.

It‘s one of the reasons the EU planned to roll out the vaccine across the board taking in all 27 countries and moving together. An ambitious idea, but one that has crashed and burned so far.
 
Chris in London said:
One’s a twat about the kids, the other’s a twat about money.

Time and time again
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I went away for the weekend, and a member of staff unilaterally bought the illicit booze and/or tobacco out of cash from the till, for my exclusive commercial benefit, basically on a whim, despite me being a fairly controlling man, especially when it comes to money.


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