Political relations between UK-EU

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blueparrot said:
It is, and unrelated to this but was wondering.We backed multiple horses not knowing which vaccines would work and when. It is now looking like all the horses could come in. Think it's about 370 million doses. So assuming everyone here is vaccinated by September we shouldn't need anymore until next year at the earliest. What happens to the nearly 300 million spare. Can they be stored for years or will we leave them with manufacturers to distribute elsewhere and get more when we need them.
Or should we take them and redistribute them to the parts of the world in most need. Just a thought ?
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Remember it’s highly likely the vaccine will turn into a yearly rollout.
 
BobKowalski said:
Not a bad idea. For example the EU needs to ensure Ukraine and North African nations it borders with are protected to mitigate possible mutation and reinfection. The soft power benefits of a UK supplying these countries with initial supplies before the EU gets its act together are considerable. To be cynical it would be smart diplomacy as well as occupying the moral high ground.
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Make a note of the time and date......I agree ;)
 
So 29 days into the new relationship between the EU & the UK a clause in the withdrawal treaty that is effectively a nuclear option for either side in which Article 16 is invoked to create a hard border between the RoI and NI the EU has done exactly that.

Regardless of the fact they have backtracked immediately this will be a constant factor in relations in future, especially for Irish matters.
 
blueparrot said:
It is, and unrelated to this but was wondering.We backed multiple horses not knowing which vaccines would work and when. It is now looking like all the horses could come in. Think it's about 370 million doses. So assuming everyone here is vaccinated by September we shouldn't need anymore until next year at the earliest. What happens to the nearly 300 million spare. Can they be stored for years or will we leave them with manufacturers to distribute elsewhere and get more when we need them.
Or should we take them and redistribute them to the parts of the world in most need. Just a thought ?
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Only one I have heard is Pfizer has a shelf life of 6 months from date of manufacture therefore would need to be reallocated.
 
journolud said:
works both ways, when you have spent four years adamantly repeating the brexit message it becomes impossible to acknowledge any negatives.
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Fair enough.....

So please say clearly - where are the negatives with regards to the UK's behaviour relating to this situation - where is the UK in the wrong?

And I will freely admit that perhaps I am falling into the line you suggest - but I cannot see any - so would welcome you informing me

And also - from the perspective of a UK citizen and a nation seeking to get the virus under control and start to rebuild - what are the negatives you see from the actions taken by the UK government on this matter since last spring?
 
journolud said:
Give it up can’t you? For an apparently intelligent man you are a proper wum. Most if not all on here have been critical of the EU, those who try to look deeper into the context add more than your stupid digs do
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Hey - I am 30 pages behind and have not seen yet any such acknowledgement or criticism

Please tell me - what page does the desperate defence of the EU's actions stop?

Have Bob, Vic and other usual suspects come out clearly and stated that the EU is in the wrong?

Because if not - what are you saying to them to correct their stance?

If Bob ad Vic have started criticising the EU - please tell me which page as I might need to skip a few pages
 
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mcfc1632 said:
Fair enough.....

So please say clearly - where are the negatives with regards to the UK's behaviour relating to this situation - where is the UK in the wrong?

And I will freely admit that perhaps I am falling into the line you suggest - but I cannot see any - so would welcome you informing me

And also - from the perspective of a UK citizen and a nation seeking to get the virus under control and start to rebuild - what are the negatives you see from the actions taken by the UK government on this matter since last spring?
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Completely missing the point. The EU deserve criticism for their approach to this. Where did I or anyone else suggest there was a negative to the UKs approach to this particular matter? Any recent posts of mine you might be referencing are in regards to the negative impacts of Brexit generally.

The vaccine issue is related to coronavirus and is only related to Brexit insomuch as relationships between the UK and the EU will be fragile for some time due to Brexit.

There are no negatives to a successful vaccine programme for the UK but that is only a small part of the actions taken by the UK government since spring, most of which has been fuck up after fuck up. 100,000 people and rising no longer requiring the vaccine are testament to that
 
Ban-jani said:
The pandemic has proven two things, when there’s a crisis in one section of a bloc the whole bloc is utterly useless. And when it comes to the need to act quickly in a crisis, the bloc is utterly useless.

Sorry three things, when the latter happens they will try and bully their neighbours who got it right.

Unfortunately for them their neighbours are greatest opponents of tyranny on the continent.
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The stifling bureaucracy of the EU has been ignored, and it's now, when serious consequences have ensued, that the inefficiency of it is starkly displayed.
We're seeing some serious hoop jumping on here, and dates being claimed as irrelevant, which is laughable, as the producers seem to be being accused of
not waiting until the EU made its fucking mind up.
The criminal negligent that is Von de Leyen is getting serious stick, her past record of incompetence has resurrected itself.
Still, the important thing is we did it right, we've vaccinated about 12% the EU around 2%, thank fuck we got out.
 
metalblue said:
Have they now got some evidence now for length of effectiveness or are you thinking more about how the flu vaccine works/mutations?
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Just that the presentation our chief pharmaceutical officer did a few weeks ago was that everyone was planning for it to be a yearly rollout.

Think it’s too soon to know for sure about any of it though.
 
meltonblue said:
Just checked again and I’m wrong. Apologies - was reading too many docs at the same time, that’s only sites for the substance as I’m sure you knew already!

Is that not still the issue though - that the yield from the U.K. is said to be used in both the APA and the CMA? I’d be very interested to have seen what the redacted bits of schedule A said too. I was reading this morning that when the contract was initially uploaded, the EU actually uploaded an unredacted copy that’s stayed up for a while, missed that though...
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That would be a massive GDPR breach

I was told yesterday that you could the first copy into acrobat and remove the redacted parts.

As an example this bit was redacted.



Es6VGueXEAE7Grp
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Utterly shameful behaviour and bully boy tactics from the EU to try and reddress their own ineptitude. There surely cant be a single EU citizen that is impressed with their handling of the vaccine rollout and their antics the past few days.
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There are seriously pissed off EU citizens, and their ire isn't being directed
towards the UK, as they know their overlords have screwed up, and it ain't just misplaced paper clips, it's serious.
 
Hypocrisy is astounding.

UK Gove threaten to break internal law - *Crickets*

EU enforce treaty article (albeit for a couple of hours) - "How dare Johnny Foreigner stick to rules!"
 
Tanzeylee said:
Why are so many on here happy to jump on the EUs side with everything, it all smells a bit Vichy to me.
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Fanboys mate. They’ve saturated themselves in so much pro-EU guff that it’s got into every fibre of their being.

I find it absolutely bizarre that we have people jumping to the defence of the EU over this.

There are even countries in the EU think the EU are being a set of cunts over this. But our EU fanboys wouldn’t even consider it.
 
smudgedj said:
That would be a massive GDPR breach

I was told yesterday that you could the first copy into acrobat and remove the redacted parts.

As an example this bit was redacted.



Es6VGueXEAE7Grp
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Completely. You’d think someone would lose their job over it straight away.
 
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