Political relations between UK-EU

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blueparrot said:
Not one person has said that, ever. Being very good at vaccination while the eu have ballsed it up so far and behaved in blind panic doesn’t mean all those deaths caused by shit government up to now is all forgiven and okay.
It also won’t mean in the coming years being out of the single market and customs union, purely by conservative party choice, costing jobs and businesses and possibly the united kingdom while we try and recover is okay either.
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We didn't come out of the single market and customs union 'Because of the
conservative government,' it's what we voted for in a referendum to stay or leave, whichever govt it was. The frantic obsession to pin anything on the Tories is pathetic.
The SM, CU and ECJ are THE main tenets of the EU, staying in these means staying in.
And we have a free trade deal that allows access to the SM anyway, although this shower we spent years trying to get out of are certainly not to be trusted
to continue that.
 
Ban-jani said:
The pandemic has proven two things, when there’s a crisis in one section of a bloc the whole bloc is utterly useless. And when it comes to the need to act quickly in a crisis, the bloc is utterly useless.

Sorry three things, when the latter happens they will try and bully their neighbours who got it right.

Unfortunately for them their neighbours are greatest opponents of tyranny on the continent.
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Indeed!
 
Gray said:
European procrastination and bureaucracy is one of the reasons for the way the Brexit vote went. That and the way they treat us every year in the poxy song contest swayed it for me.
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It’s been a long time since I’ve liked any of our entries into it to be fair!
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
So 29 days into the new relationship between the EU & the UK a clause in the withdrawal treaty that is effectively a nuclear option for either side in which Article 16 is invoked to create a hard border between the RoI and NI the EU has done exactly that.

Regardless of the fact they have backtracked immediately this will be a constant factor in relations in future, especially for Irish matters.
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Relations between UK and EU or UK and Ireland? Because self evidently there is a shift in power and influence. Dublin can bend the ear of the Commission and got the A16 retracted. London does not have that level of influence given it is a non member, so yes it will impact relations, but how it impacts relations has to be seen in the context of who has the leverage.

Also consider and contrast how the EU whacked on the provision without even bothering to notify us via the proper channels. It’s in the Treaty, there you go. Johnson keep saying they will do it ‘if necessary’, the EU just skipped talking about it and pressed the button.

For the UK and Ireland it’s a nuclear option, for the EU it was an administrative function and that is warning sign because next time we are on the end of an administrative decision, a member state like Ireland may not have the skin in the game to intercede.
 
journolud said:
Completely missing the point. The EU deserve criticism for their approach to this. Where did I or anyone else suggest there was a negative to the UKs approach to this particular matter? Any recent posts of mine you might be referencing are in regards to the negative impacts of Brexit generally.

The vaccine issue is related to coronavirus and is only related to Brexit insomuch as relationships between the UK and the EU will be fragile for some time due to Brexit.

There are no negatives to a successful vaccine programme for the UK but that is only a small part of the actions taken by the UK government since spring, most of which has been fuck up after fuck up. 100,000 people and rising no longer requiring the vaccine are testament to that
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Ha - just popped back to check for good news from you

You have not really answered:

"Have Bob, Vic and other usual suspects come out clearly and stated that the EU is in the wrong?

Because if not - what are you saying to them to correct their stance?

If Bob and Vic have started criticising the EU - please tell me which page as I might need to skip a few pages"

If you cannot point to where they have done this - it would seem that a) I am not missing the point in either this post you are replying to or the previous one in which you suggested that I was a WUM

As a reminder - all I did was point out that for some the EU can do no wrong - unless you can point to clear criticism from Bob and Vic, you only seem to be confirming that I was/am correct
 
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Tb1981 said:
So would you prefer the uk vaccine mitigation roll out to be slower and vaccinate less people?
Or better still give vaccines to other countries half way through the process?
You can say the handling has been shit (not sure you will get much disagreement from many) but you can’t then use that as a means to criticise this part or say it doesn’t solve ‘shit’
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Both your questions are preposterous and non-sequiturs - and I where did I use the vaccination programme to criticise anything else? Are you aware what the word ‘mitigation’ means?

Ridiculous post.
 
mat said:
Hypocrisy is astounding.

UK Gove threaten to break internal law - *Crickets*

EU enforce treaty article (albeit for a couple of hours) - "How dare Johnny Foreigner stick to rules!"
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You haven't understood what's gone on, have you.

"Stick to the rules"? The EU decided to implement something that should only be used once rules are broken. We didn't, but they did so anyway, risking an escalating situation between N.Ireland and Ireland, supposedly one of the EU members the EU is meant to protect, yet Ireland never asked it to be implemented; they weren't even consulted.

Everyone criticised the UK Govt when they announced breaking international law. Where is the condemnation from you with the same degree of fervour over this? Hypocrisy? I'd look in the mirror.
 
Gray said:
European procrastination and bureaucracy is one of the reasons for the way the Brexit vote went. That and the way they treat us every year in the poxy song contest swayed it for me.
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To point out the bleeding obvious, Overall, Brexit subjects the UK to increased levels of European procrastination and bureaucracy, not to mention an increase in the homegrown version.

Eurovision is a sound argument though.
 
BobKowalski said:
To point out the bleeding obvious, Overall, Brexit subjects the UK to increased levels of European procrastination and bureaucracy, not to mention an increase in the homegrown version.

Eurovision is a sound argument though.
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I was reading earlier that wines made in Bordeaux that are certified as made in Bordeaux when imported to the UK now require our own testing at the vintners cost to confirm that the wines bottled and certified as Bordeaux wines are in fact Bordeaux wines. That of course is repeated for any wines imported from the EU - a £5 bottle of wine became an £8 bottle of wine
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’m sure they’ve given some people on here a hard on.
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I didn't experience such a delight, but I did get a bellylaugh at the cartoon in The Time. Yer'll have to dig it out or by a copy - I don't do piccies. It's a variation on the Bayeux Tapestry with a rather appropriate Latin text - MACRON REX: INTERFUCTUS EST!
 
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Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
I didn't experience such a delight, but I did get a bellylaugh at the cartoon in The Time. Yer'll have to dig it out or by a copy - I don't do piccies. It's a variation on the Bayeux Tapestry with a rather appropriate Latin text - MACRON INTERFUCTUS EST!
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