Social conservatism

[Ban-jani]

But is OK to call me a FOC for posting on Bluemoon,

Yeah, I wouldn’t call a woman a FOC.

But you deserve it, you FOC ;-)

 

[Ban-jani]

Have you ever thought they might not like it ? About 30% of my friends are women, must admit I can be overly protective at times tbh.

It’s little things mate.

If my mate had a suitcase and was managing I wouldn’t offer to carry it.

When we went to the Isle of Wight festival and me and my Mrs gave her friend a lift, as her husband was already there working, I carried her suitcase from her house to my car and from my car to her husband.

It’s just manners.

I treat women better than I treat men, that doesn’t mean I treat men badly either.

I am not talking about civil rights, employment and the law etc. I am talking about not acting like you do in the pub with your male friends, in front of women and showing them manners.

If there is a woman giving as good as she gets and swearing at people etc. Then yeah, I’d give her some banter back... but we’re obviously talking generally here.

@lloydie @Summerbuzz @Ifwecouldjust.......

None of you know me personally. My father is the nicest bloke you’d meet and several people on here who do know me, will confirm I am sound over a pint.

No need for the faux outrage lads, you all do the same as the above, every bloke does.

 

[@BluePhil8]

WOW .......

What’s your problem with that statement? We are genetically different.

Over the last 10 years the male prison population has hovered at 80k in this country, whilst women is around 3-4k. Why do you think that is?

Why do you think there’s women dominated industries like nursing and male dominated industries like being a brickie or binman?

Why do you think male suicide rates are astronomical compared to women, despite women attempting suicide more often?

We are different, being treated differently doesn’t mean being treated worse.

 

[Ban-jani]

What’s your problem with that statement? We are genetically different.

Over the last 10 years the male prison population has hovered at 80k in this country, whilst women is around 3-4k. Why do you think that is?

Why do you think there’s women dominated industries like nursing and male dominated industries like being a brickie or binman?

Why do you think male suicide rates are astronomical compared to women, despite women attempting suicide more often?

We are different, being treated differently doesn’t mean being treated worse.

They have an ideology that’s non-scientific mate and they will push it as far as they can and bully people with it.

Id actually look at a man who would treat a woman the same as himself as a coward to be honest.

 

[andyhinch]

It’s little things mate.

If my mate had a suitcase and was managing I wouldn’t offer to carry it.

When we went to the Isle of Wight festival and me and my Mrs gave her friend a lift, as her husband was already there working, I carried her suitcase from her house to my car and from my car to her husband.

It’s just manners.

I treat women better than I treat men, that doesn’t mean I treat men badly either.

I am not talking about civil rights, employment and the law etc. I am talking about not acting like you do in the pub with your male friends, in front of women and showing them manners.

If there is a woman giving as good as she gets and swearing at people etc. Then yeah, I’d give her some banter back... but we’re obviously talking generally here.

@lloydie @Summerbuzz @Ifwecouldjust.......

None of you know me personally. My father is the nicest bloke you’d meet and several people on here who do know me, will confirm I am sound over a pint.

No need for the faux outrage lads, you all do the same as the above, every bloke does.

Just spoke to my next door neighbour, her last words were leave me to die, fuck little things

 

[pirate]

They have an ideology that’s non-scientific mate and they will push it as far as they can and bully people with it.

Id actually look at a man who would treat a woman the same as himself as a coward to be honest.

and i think the opposite, if you treat the opposite gender differently, you are doing it because you are too cowardly to accept them as equal

 

[@BluePhil8]

and i think the opposite, if you treat the opposite gender differently, you are doing it because you are too cowardly to accept them as equal

Honest question and not whataboutery, if a woman kept coming at you on a night out and hit you 3 or 4 times, you’d lay in to them with all your strength, as you would to a man? Fair fucks if so.

 

[Ban-jani]

and i think the opposite, if you treat the opposite gender differently, you are doing it because you are too cowardly to accept them as equal

I believe they have just as many rights as I do, I just believe men should treat women better than themselves.

If you think there’s anything wrong with that you can do one.

 

[urban genie]

Social Conservatism is simply the non-economic, social polices of conservatism. It’s nothing more and nothing less. How welfare is spent and what services are nationalised under a Conservative Govt are social conservatism. But also about family units, patriotism and traditions of the working class.

It’s where working class people who aren’t socialists find themselves on the spectrum. It’s what the centre-right of the Liberal Democrats are, it’s what the One Nation Tories are where they feel the middle and upper classes have an obligation to the working class.

That’s it. That’s all it is.

As I already saidni na previous post, though popular in the US it isn't exclusive

But what you describe here is one nation conservatism, and yes many working class are conservative in many aspects, but also have a more liberal outlook that doesn't fall into social conservatism.

social consevatism is guided by a religous aspect, that is apparent in many Islamic nations which are mainly social conservative alongside religious conservative and Hinduvta movement in India.
Add to that in the past the National party ran a very social conservative program during their governance of apparthied south africa.

Though many aspects withing social conservatism also can be in other forms of conservatism, it has a dogmatic ideology which leans and attracts the more socially strict right.

And yes the cornerstone group which is the one part of the tories that call themselves SC harp on about liberties and freedom of speach, but that is because they don't like being challenged on some of their more regressive opinions on same sex couples, abortion, sanctity of the church, the absolute necessity of monarchy etc.


I have no issue with people having conserative values, you will find that many basic values on the left and right will be similar, with a slight twist on how they should be adhered to.

 

[pirate]

Honest question and not whataboutery, if a woman kept coming at you on a night out and hit you 3 or 4 times, you’d lay in to them with all your strength, as you would to a man? Fair fucks if so.

as with a bloke it depends.
i would use the amount of force i thought was required to stop her twatting me and keep me and mine safe.
the same calculation i would make if it was a bloke.

 

[@BluePhil8]

as with a bloke it depends.
i would use the amount of force i thought was required to stop her twatting me and keep me and mine safe.
the same calculation i would make if it was a bloke.

Would those calculations be different? To be plain, would you anticipate that you’d have to use less force to stop a woman and more force to stop a man?

If so, that would be treating the opposite sex differently.

 

[pirate]

I believe they have just as many rights as I do, I just believe men should treat women better than themselves.

If you think there’s anything wrong with that you can do one.

i will do one
i will leave you with this thought first
it appears you treat women with the respect they deserve, but you dont give men the same respect that they deserve.
that appears to make you a bit of a ****, if we are going to be aggressive with each other.

 

[Ban-jani]

i will do one
i will leave you with this thought first
it appears you treat women with the respect they deserve, but you dont give men the same respect that they deserve.
that appears to make you a bit of a ****, if we are going to be aggressive with each other.

All that’s happened in the last 12 hours is a load of you have made presumption after presumption.

I actually specifically said it doesn’t mean I treat men badly, I just believe the respect you show to women should go above and beyond general respect to men.

I guarantee you wouldn’t call me a **** to my face either. Keyboard warrior.

 

[pirate]

Would those calculations be different? To be plain, would you anticipate that you’d have to use less force to stop a woman and more force to stop a man?

it depends on the physique, level of aggression, the size of the group they are with, how competent they appear to be at fighting etc etc.
Generally women are physically smaller than men so in general less force would be required, but thats based on the factors mentioned, whether they have tits and a fanny doesnt enter into it.

 

[urban genie]

Have you ever thought they might not like it ? About 30% of my friends are women, must admit I can be overly protective at times tbh.

Being polite to women and showing them respect is just good manners and should be equally done to men and women and anyone else of whatever gender they wish to be.

Thinking women are more fragile and need protecting is just wrong and I would say insulting.

I agree with you, I have close female friend who call me every name under the sun and equally I will tell them to fuck off and insult them when they piss me off, thqt doesn't mean I go around doing it to strangers, as that would be impolite.

Also I don't presume a woman needs my help, but will offer it to be good mannered and I suppose a gentleman, if they tell me no, then I will repsect them not look dowm on them.

Having good manner isn't a product of a conservative nature either.

 

[@BluePhil8]

it depends on the physique, level of aggression, the size of the group they are with, how competent they appear to be at fighting etc etc.
Generally women are physically smaller than men so in general less force would be required, but thats based on the factors mentioned, whether they have tits and a fanny doesnt enter into it.

Ah, so treating the opposite gender differently based on their biological physical differences is fine and doesn’t make you a coward. But treating them differently based on anything else does make you a coward. I get it now.

 

[urban genie]

Honest question and not whataboutery, if a woman kept coming at you on a night out and hit you 3 or 4 times, you’d lay in to them with all your strength, as you would to a man? Fair fucks if so.

I had a women twat me with her stilleto, still got the scar on top of my head, I never once thought, right I'll smack you for that, I instead held her in a lock to constrained her while the police arrived, all the time getting ankle kicks.

I have been attacked by blokes before and firstly tried to difuse the situation and if it cannot be puched back.

So no I never thought she was fair game cause she hit me, maybe it was an unconscious thing because she was female and that I would never hit a woman.

But then in my 20s I got into an arguement with a (still) close female friend and as she was slapping me hqrd across tge head I grabed her arms to stop her and pushed her back leaving her wrists red because of the pressure of my grip, was it because we were mates that I was pess gentlemanly? Probably, but I felt a lot of guilt for doing that after and still think of it as one of my most shamefull acts, she jist met me for a drink 2 days after and called me a fucking ballbag, we never brought it up again and I have never got into a similar situation again, if a women kicks pff, I just calm the situation down or if I cannot, politely excuse myself.

 

[dawlish dave]

All that’s happened in the last 12 hours is a load of you have made presumption after presumption.

I actually specifically said it doesn’t mean I treat men badly, I just believe the respect you show to women should go above and beyond general respect to men.

I guarantee you wouldn’t call me a **** to my face either. Keyboard warrior.

What about calling me a FOC, do you say that to people face to face

 

[pirate]

All that’s happened in the last 12 hours is a load of you have made presumption after presumption.

I actually specifically said it doesn’t mean I treat men badly, I just believe the respect you show to women should go above and beyond general respect to men.

I guarantee you wouldn’t call me a **** to my face either. Keyboard warrior.

you specifically said you treat women better.
therefore you treat men worse than you treat women, purely based on the Thats whats wrong.

i guarantee that you are the one that started being aggressive with me not the other way around, or is DO ONE a friendly phrase in your neck of the woods
i can also guarantee that you wouldnt say do one to me in real life, but you knew that anyway didnt you keyboard warrior big snogs and kisses

 

[I'm With Stupid]

So do you speak to your mates wife in the same language you speak to your mate?

Wow indeed.

I'd speak to my female mates in the same language I'd speak to my male mates. The only way in which it might be different is that there's the possibility with female mates that things could be interpreted sexually, so I'd probably be aware of that. Mate's wives and girlfriends are different, because you're not really friends with them, you're only friends by proxy, so you're obviously not going to speak to them in the same way. I wouldn't call my mate's wife a prick in the same way that I wouldn't call my colleague a prick. It's a different type of relationship. But it's not because she's a woman. Obviously everyone interacts with the opposite sex slightly differently to their own, but not everybody make a virtue out of it.