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Would you be happy if City joined this European Super League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 5.3%

  • No

    Votes: 1,954 94.7%
  • Total voters
    2,063
canadianblue said:
LOL

Has there ever been a more universally derided idea as this?

Usually even the most odious of ideas has at least some defenders and apologists, it seems these owners are pretty much completely isolated. No way this comes off if everyone keeps the pressure on.
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Them and MalG.



I think there is some consensus that its already done and dusted. The owners are on the other side of the world oblivious to the noise and they’ll just ride it out.
 
domalino said:
It will never get that far.

The Premier league will have a meeting with Sky and BT for the next TV rights deal that starts in 2021 and they will say "We are replacing City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool with Norwich, Watford, Swansea, Brentford, Barnsley and Bournemouth, how many billions can we get per year?"

And sky will say, that sounds like the championship, in fact about 3/4s of the "new Premier league" have been in the championship under the current rights deal. and we pay £120m per year for the championship so it will be in that ball park."

And then the clubs will say, "gee that's a lot less than £3Bn a year isn't it? I'll go bankrupt if that happens"

And then they'll vote to keep the big 6.
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If the Super League happens then I’d imagine the breakaway teams will ultimately resign from the domestic leagues anyway in the next few years.

The Super League will then become the only league these teams are involved in, with its own cup thrown in as well to mix things up.
 
paulchapo said:
Yes but the rules and laws must be very clear and laid out for anyone to read. It it's perfectly legal to withdraw from the champions league and set up a separate competition people can hate it but legally not stop it. They'd be nuts to just do it on a whim. They'd go more slowly, ask for talks, state their demands/intentions.
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It contravenes premier league rule 9 for a start.
 
Gumzy97 said:
"As in American sports, referees will have a microphone so they'll explain their decisions to the public in a totally transparent way and there will be an alternative VAR".
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“Er I have it to the team in red boss, that’s right init?”
 
RobinHood said:
Not a bad analogy but the WDC (now PDC) didn't restrict it to just 16 players. As an aside, 2 of the 16 bottled it and went back to the BDO. Wonder if 2 of the 6 will...
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think it was 16 or 19 that defected and a massive legal battle ensued. In the end the players won and it’s gone on too be a great success. Nearly all successful BDO players defected over the years, very few went back. Love the darts from being a kid and lakeside was brilliant but fair play too the PDC Ally pally is brilliant and the quality of the darts is definitely higher.
 
domalino said:
Thats probably true, but this is where the negotiations come in.

The Super League has said they'll scale solidarity money with revenue growth, so this is where the PL clubs need to say, "well you've all committed to 23 years of this, now we are going to need you to legally commit to our slice, and failure to provide that will result in your expulsion".

Theres so much further to go here and a lot of potential for the super league to make this appetising enough for people to swallow.

They want the CL to still run alongside their competition for example - if winning the CL got you a 5 year membership of the super league, wouldn't that completely undercut most of the objections about "taking away the dream?"

They have announced basically their bottom line - security for 15 founding clubs, more games, taking control of the organisation away from UEFA. Everything else is negotiable.
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A few things:

If I'm the league, in a perfect world, I only accept that scale with a guaranteed minimum with escalators plus a kicker that floats with Super League revenue.

The Super League needs the domestic league presence -- today -- because fans of Super League clubs want to support sides that win matches, which is no guarantee in the Super League. They need to cement the fan bases.

Once the Super League is an established entity, with the "open slots" filled with the most reliable revenue producers (which may mean keeping an open slot or two, but I doubt it), the Super League will close up shop, because their members will have revenue sharing of some sort, all the best sides, an optimized distribution stream, unified branding/marketing -- all the things it takes time for a start-up to put together.

Thus the leagues are mere step ladders -- and its members are cannon fodder. At some point the Super League owners won't care if their sides win or lose the Super League, as long as they are making an effective guaranteed return.

As I think you've noted (others have) expulsion isn't a threat. It's ultimately what the Super League sides want; they just aren't ready yet. And they figure demand is set to explode post-pandemic, and several of these clubs need money now. Hence the timing of this intermediate "CL-ish" step before the breakaway league is truly "ready", and the current reliance on the domestic leagues, which I believe is nothing like permanent.

Re the dream -- no, I think that issue is kind of all or nothing. While technically not just any side can earn a spot in Europe, theoretically they can. Officially locking in any European slot (let alone 15 of them) regardless of the pragmatic lock-ups some clubs have is still going to be perceived as a dream-destroyer, and I can see why.
 
domalino said:
Thats probably true, but this is where the negotiations come in.

The Super League has said they'll scale solidarity money with revenue growth, so this is where the PL clubs need to say, "well you've all committed to 23 years of this, now we are going to need you to legally commit to our slice, and failure to provide that will result in your expulsion".

Theres so much further to go here and a lot of potential for the super league to make this appetising enough for people to swallow.

They want the CL to still run alongside their competition for example - if winning the CL got you a 5 year membership of the super league, wouldn't that completely undercut most of the objections about "taking away the dream?"

They have announced basically their bottom line - security for 15 founding clubs, more games, taking control of the organisation away from UEFA. Everything else is negotiable.
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When exactly? Do we want to invent 2 more weekdays?
It's a battle for tv slots, tv money money and in the end they want to replace UEFA (and FIFA later on).

That's how money rules.
 
You know, if the media had spent less time with their heads up United and Liverpool's arses and fixating on how City and their evil Middle Eastern owner were going to ruin the game, they may have noticed the big dark cloud of American owned PL clubs that were conspiring to make these huge changes from the start like we'd been warning them about.

Of course City are in there too, but that's beside this specific point.
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
Having looked into it - he really didn’t come out against it at all.

It was another fudge of an answer, in my opinion.

If that’s good enough for you then fair enough - but I’m not ready to give him credit for saying fuck all!
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I haven't heard it but the more big names that oppose it, the better. I don't like Liverpool, and Klopp gets on my tits, however, all rivalries are out of the window for me at the moment. Gary Neville, Klopp, Liverpool fans, United fans; it doesn't matter who they are. As far as I'm concerned, if they're against this criminal power grab, they're on the same side.
 
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