Bloody Sunday: Soldier F faces murder charges

The Good Friday agreement basically gave the paramilitaries a free pass and wiped the slate clean for some pretty vile murderers.

The same courtesy was not extended to the British military personnel whe were in essence doing all they could with the resources they had to protect the live of innocent people, both in the province and on the mainland.

The GFA was far from fair.
 
IrishBlueSince92 said:
Easier said than done if one of your loved ones was murdered, I’d imagine
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See the next post by Trevor Morley for a sensible answer.
All sides need to move on, like they did in South Africa.
Otherwise the bitterness and hatred will just go on forever.
And nobody benefits from that sort of attitude.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The Good Friday agreement basically gave the paramilitaries a free pass and wiped the slate clean for some pretty vile murderers.

The same courtesy was not extended to the British military personnel whe were in essence doing all they could with the resources they had to protect the live of innocent people, both in the province and on the mainland.

The GFA was far from fair.
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Well I would disagree. The GFA did no such thing, although the authorities may not have pursued so called terrorists as ardently as family victims did of the security forces that were supposed to be keeping the peace.
The only reason I say supposed terrorists, is that there is the crux of the issue with those that are pursuing the paratroopers in the Bloody Sunday, as an example.

These people were not terrorists and whether they believed in it or not they were British civilians and this would not have been tolerated anywhere else in Britain.

Listen I don’t want to go over that old wound but more recently the Stormont House Agreement was in 2014 and it didn’t grant any amnesty to paramilitary atrocities prior to the GFA either.

As I said in a previous post. This doesn’t just affect British soldiers accused of crimes, it also affects killed soldiers families who have no recourse to the law if amnesty is granted. Because amnesty will also have to include paramilitaries.

I’m not saying Yae or Nae to the amnesty idea either. But as recent as 2014 everyone signed up to a process that didn’t choose to forget any of the victims and Boris, it seems, has yet again chosen to go were the votes are and piss on relationships outside of England.
 
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Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The Good Friday agreement basically gave the paramilitaries a free pass and wiped the slate clean for some pretty vile murderers.

The same courtesy was not extended to the British military personnel whe were in essence doing all they could with the resources they had to protect the live of innocent people, both in the province and on the mainland.

The GFA was far from fair.
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That's a misunderstanding of the GFA
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
What, that murderers were releases from prison whilst soldiers still have potential prosecutions hanging over them for their actions in the same conflict?
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Well the vast majority werent murderers....but they were actually tried and convicted.....they were then released on licence (some being returned to jail for later breaking the law)...something that we, as a country/society (NI), considered deeply and then agreed upon as the best way to move forward....ultimately creating the peace we know today.....that same peace which now hangs in balance due to decisions not made by us but in spite of us.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Should be the same for all parties in the peace process.
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It should.
Explain then how the military are usually in charge of investigations into military misdemeanours?
There was decades of whitewashing the issues. You wouldn’t even have the military policing in any other part of Britain.

Listen, I’m not against the discussion of Amnesty, although I may not be typical of all Irish attitude.
But pissing on the GFA and now the SHA of 2014 like Boris is doing is no way of doing things.

For all those so down on the GFA in particular, can you not see that the DUP who never supported it and want to bring it down are using it as their only defence, because it suits them now.
And the UUP who did sign up to it are also quoting it as their protection against the NIP and the border down the Irish Sea.
Because that is the truth. The only thing they can rely on is the GFA, not the British government and the irony is they would get the backing of the Irish government on this far quicker.
 
manclad said:
Bump.
Not "Bloody Sunday", but a similar trial of 2 former soldiers involved in a shooting in April 1972 has collapsed and the pair of them have been formally acquitted by a Judge.
The 2 ex soldiers are now in their 70s and both had pleaded not guilty to murder.
It's crazy that they keep having these trials about incidents that happened almost 50 years ago.
It's time that Republicans accepted that alot of people from all 3 sides died ,and that they should move themselves into the 21st century.
Time is a great healer,so I am told.
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Just read that the Para's are not going to be prosecuted now.
The families have been told today, though are expected to appeal.
 
law74 said:
Just read that the Para's are not going to be prosecuted now.
The families have been told today, though are expected to appeal.
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Yes, I noticed that the charges were going to be dropped earlier this morning.
I also remember that one of the soldiers legal team mentioned that it was about time that these " witch hunts" were stopped, as they serve no useful purpose.
The GFA gave a lot of criminals in Ulster pardons for crimes they had committed during "The Troubles".
It now looks like the same has been accorded to the troops who served in Ulster during those chaotic times.
 
manclad said:
Yes, I noticed that the charges were going to be dropped earlier this morning.
I also remember that one of the soldiers legal team mentioned that it was about time that these " witch hunts" were stopped, as they serve no useful purpose.
The GFA gave a lot of criminals in Ulster pardons for crimes they had committed during "The Troubles".
It now looks like the same has been accorded to the troops who served in Ulster during those chaotic times.
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hats off to the the legal teams, they’ve done an exceptional job this year on behalf of our veterans
 
manclad said:
Yes, I noticed that the charges were going to be dropped earlier this morning.
I also remember that one of the soldiers legal team mentioned that it was about time that these " witch hunts" were stopped, as they serve no useful purpose.
The GFA gave a lot of criminals in Ulster pardons for crimes they had committed during "The Troubles".
It now looks like the same has been accorded to the troops who served in Ulster during those chaotic times.
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Yes many criminals were pardoned AFTER they were charged and convicted.
The same has not been accorded to those troops as they have never been tried and then convicted/acquitted/pardoned/whatever... that would be justice.
 
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