Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Ribchester]

all relatively ok down here in Kent ?

Have all the rent boys got back from Porto yet

 

[ayrshire_blue]

 

[MCFCTrick]

I agree it’s tough times for many but you are way wide of the mark if you think we are in a lockdown. Pubs and restaurants are open and one thing holding many hospitality businesses back is staffing shortages.

The term lockdown meant prisoners not being able to leave their cells and it’s being high jacked by people claiming their civil liberties are being denied by table service rather than a crowded bar.

I hope the Country is in a position to end the last few restrictions but only if that’s the best thing to do, on balance:

Staffing shortages are a problem, but nowhere near the restrictions still in place. They are what are going to kill so many if extended.
That comes from people around me actually in the industry. So many are seriously teetering....

 

[bluethrunthru]

Don't know if anyone else watched that documentary on C4 tonight - Andrew Wakefield and his allies - what a bunch of fucking cunts - but the worry is how many people are gullible enough to believe snake oil salesmen like them - get all the willing vaxxed then dose the anti's with Covid 19 and let the see 1st hand its not a hoax and and how handy vaccines really are.
One of the highlights for me was Piers Corbyn "if we take these vaccines half to all the population will get sick and die"....no Piers 100% of the population will eventually die - they always have done - I guarantee you that but an almost incalculably tiny amount will die as a direct result of a vaccine.

 

[somapop]

Will catch that documentary tomorrow (missed the first half abs Ch4 don’t stream until tomorrow).

On a side note I went to play tennis with the kids in a park yesterday.
It was hot admittedly but I was by no means over exerting. About 30 mins in I had that heart race thing again and got pretty worried.
I ran 5k on a warm gym treadmill last week so it comes & goes. Last few days I’ve felt the lethargy and reminds me of when ill with flu (but no other symptoms - just no energy and a body warning you not to exercise).

I know of a few at work who one year on cannot run etc (some, friends of work colleagues, can only manage a few days a week at work).

 

[johnnytapia]

Unfortuntely it really does look like Stockport is the next area going into trouble. Which given it has the best vaccination numbers in GM is a little concerning.

The good news first.

NOT ONE GM borough over 100 for the first time in 3 weeks.

BOROUGH CASES TODAY / DAY TO DAY / WEEK TO WEEK



BOLTON 98 / Down 58 / Down 19

BURY 42 / Down 7 / UP 28

MANCHESTER 97 / Down 68 / UP 42

OLDHAM 18 / Down 13 / Down 16

ROCHDALE 22 / Down 7 / Down 2

SALFORD 34 / Down 29 / UP 13

STOCKPORT 47 /UP 14 / UP 33

TAMESIDE 15 / Down 18 / UP 10

TRAFFORD 18 / Down 21 / UP 8

WIGAN 28 / Down 20 / Down 6


As you can see some pretty good numbers there day to day and week to week. For most boroughs.

But no question who had the worst of it. Stockport had a very bad day.

A bit of a puzzle as to why given its vaccine numbers.

May just be the up and down numbers caused by the change in methods that do not delete false positives day to day just on the overall total that will see some days artificually up and others artificially dowm and tomorrow it will be down when everywhere else is up.

But Zoe saw a big rise here too yesterday in their reported symptoms.

What do you mean by Stockport “going into trouble “? Death? Illness? Hospitalisations? Please elaborate. Thanks

 

[johnnytapia]

Our school have impressed on kids that they should be reporting negative as well as positive tests.

Whether they do or not is another matter of course.

Anyone who thinks parents and children are doing the lateral flow tests as requested, are, at best, deluded. It ain’t happening.

 

[Marvin]

What do you mean by Stockport “going into trouble “? Death? Illness? Hospitalisations? Please elaborate. Thanks

Cases.

 

[Marvin]

Apparently even though there have been relatively very few cases of the Indian variant in the UK, mutations have already been detected in this strain, and it's the same residues that are involved over and over again. There were two other Indian variants and guess what it's mutating at the same residues.

Another thing worthy of note is that the inactivated Chinese Sinopharm vaccine remains very effective against the SA variant. According to a paper just published in Nature:

" By contrast, neutralizing activity of sera elicited by the inactivated vaccine BBIBP-CorV (Sinopharm) against the authentic virus B.1.351 showed only a slight reduction (less than twofold) ". The paper has many authors but many are British and the authors I looked at were from Glasgow University.

I suggested ages ago that the inactivated virus vaccines should do better against the variants and that does seem to be the case.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Don't know if anyone else watched that documentary on C4 tonight - Andrew Wakefield and his allies - what a bunch of fucking cunts - but the worry is how many people are gullible enough to believe snake oil salesmen like them - get all the willing vaxxed then dose the anti's with Covid 19 and let the see 1st hand its not a hoax and and how handy vaccines really are.
One of the highlights for me was Piers Corbyn "if we take these vaccines half to all the population will get sick and die"....no Piers 100% of the population will eventually die - they always have done - I guarantee you that but an almost incalculably tiny amount will die as a direct result of a vaccine.

Managed 2 parts of it, fucking nutters.

 

[Marvin]

Significant news. It's not news in the sense that it is old news but it is news I think that has gone under the radar...

1) GSK/Sanofi are in phase 3 trials in US, Asia, Africa, and Latin America and they are testing a vaccine based on the original Wuhan strain, and one based on the South African variant. If successful they expect to be able to launch in the 4th quarter.

2) I posted above that inactivated vaccine Sinopharm vaccine has been found to be effective against the SA variant. This should reopen the discussion about intellectual property and vaccines. If we had access to generic vaccine then the significance about variants would decline. Its not just the Chinese that have inactivated vaccines...India has one Covaxin. No doubt there are others.

Valneva is a whole virus vaccine in trial and estimated to be available in the UK in the Autumn.

I can't say that the inactivated vaccines will be effective against the Indian variant but it's likely to be the case because they will generate neutralising antibodies against the whole virus rather than just the spike protein. That is the drawback of the Astrazeneca, Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. They've targeted an area of the virus that with hindsight was not going to be optimised for a human receptor cell and would be subject to mutation. Perhaps that was the best and easiest target but these very focused vaccines will be superceded. Fortunately for the UK it seems that we will have alternative, and this is probably what underlies the oft-repeated comments from ministers about an Autumn vaccine booster campaign.

Hitherto I had assumed that Autumn vaccines would be based on Pfizer, Moderna and Astrazeneca (and that still might be the case) but it looks like there are other candidates in the pipeline that we can expect to be more effective than the current vaccines (GSK, and Valneva).

The UN should also ensure that the vaccines that are most effective against the new variants are incorporated by Covax. This is quite important. Variants develop in long-standing chronic infections which will become commonplace if immune-systems are primed with partially effective defences.

 

[BlueHammer85]

so many thick people see zero Covid deaths as a news headline and think that automatically means Covid has vanished and we should all return to complete norm

 

[blue b4 the moon]

so many thick people see zero Covid deaths as a news headline and think that automatically means Covid has vanished and we should all return to complete norm

Indeed news reporting at its worst, I've yet to see any mainstream news report on when deaths actually fall like @Healdplace does on here, the general public have no idea and just eat up shit in the national news.

 

[Meatbag]

so many thick people see zero Covid deaths as a news headline and think that automatically means Covid has vanished and we should all return to complete norm

bUT bOrIs PrOmiSed ViRUs gO aWAy on 21sT jUnE

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Looking good.

If you was in the hospitality business, theatres, venues, restaurants, bars and pubs etc, then you wouldn't be saying that. So many are teetering on full collapse and closure. They bent over backwards to comply to all government restrictions and advice. They were the first to be closed and last to reopen, and under such restrictions they cannot sustain the loss of income much longer and still be viable.
Any extension to 'normality' and full opening will be too much for many...

Which is why the post up there is important^

If we can show that’s the case across the country then we can open everything up as normal soon. If there’s any semblance of hospitalisations increasing with this variant then these organisations in this industry will be even harder hit because where would we go from there?

 

[paulchapo]

I was in Chester yesterday and it was absolutely rammed. No social distancing, queues for ice cream, food, pubs and all in close proximity. Pavements packed, riverboats too. If that has been replicated around the country in the hot weather then if hospitalisations and deaths don't rocket it should be a good sign

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I was in Chester yesterday and it was absolutely rammed. No social distancing, queues for ice cream, food, pubs and all rammed together. Pavements packed, riverboats too. If that has been replicated around the country in the hot weather then if hospitalisations and deaths don't rocket it should be a good sign

You’d hope the sunshine will boost Vitamin D exposure n’all to help towards that

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I was in Chester yesterday and it was absolutely rammed. No social distancing, queues for ice cream, food, pubs and all in close proximity. Pavements packed, riverboats too. If that has been replicated around the country in the hot weather then if hospitalisations and deaths don't rocket it should be a good sign

Lunchtime news was all about how great it was to see packed beaches etc, next article was how 21/06 could be delayed.

YCMIU.

 

[paulchapo]

Lunchtime news was all about how great it was to see packed beaches etc, next article was how 21/06 could be delayed.

YCMIU.

I was surprised it was so busy. We went yesterday thinking it would be quieter after bank holiday Monday but it wasn't. I know it's half term still but it was heaving.

 

[Marvin]

Looking good.

Which is why the post up there is important^

If we can show that’s the case across the country then we can open everything up as normal soon. If there’s any semblance of hospitalisations increasing with this variant then these organisations in this industry will be even harder hit because where would we go from there?

There's another factor which you are not considering but that is important. A spreading variant that does not cause serious illness/hospitalisation is still a problem because it is continually mutating. There are about 7-8 mutations already that have been identified since the Indian variant has been in the UK, some of them at locations such as 484 which contributed to the SA variant escaping the Astrazeneca vaccine.

When are the GSK/Valneva vaccines due? What is their manufacturing capability, distribution likely to be.

At the moment our vaccines are effective but we can see that they will have a limited shelf-life. What we do depends on some variables which we don't know but I assume SAGE have a better handle on them.