Keir Starmer

Tbf this was the brilliance of Blair, to bring about that unity in a way that was also supported by the actual left.

Blair told Labour that the problem the party had was the party itself, he convinced them he was re-packaging and the left and everyone else went along.

Once in power it became obvious that New Labour was not a repackaging but a betrayal, and so the rot began.

But Blair was right, for the wrong reasons, the problem is the party itself.
 
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Blair told Labour that the problem the party had was the party itself, he convinced them he was re-packaging and the left and everyone else went along.

Once in power it became obvious that New Labour was not a repackaging but a betrayal, and so the rot began.

But Blair was right, for the wrong reasons, the problem is the party itself.
If new labour was a ‘betrayal’ then labour should just give up and close shop right now
I personally think Blair had the right intentions, some great mp’s and ministers and did try to implement Some positive policies.
The current Labour Party is appalling and has zero credible talent. The fact Angela raynor is where she is (even starmer hates her) tweeting rants everyday just shows they are appealing to their members and no one else.
Anyone in the party who looks and acts professional End up leaving (Milliband, burnham) starmer next
Utter shambles
 
You may have a point somewhere in there, but it has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the centralisation of power anywhere on the left.

The reality is the left is fighting a rearguard action to exist even within the Labour Party! With its former leader no longer even a Labour MP having had the whip removed!

You think the DG of the BBC doesn't give a fuck about the regions because he's got a copy of Das Kapital tucked under his pillow?

Any sense of alienation you and millions like you might feel is not the result of two ideologically opposed power blocks slugging it out and pissing on the centre, that's a fairy tale, backed up with zero evidence, and it's backed up with zero evidence because it simply isn't true.
My point is that both Labour and the Tory parties are dominated by the Westminster bubble chattering classes. It's a very narrow group of people, including the London media. Both parties are corrupted by the lobbying system and a government structure which is centuries out of date. It is nothing to do with the Left and Right struggle (if such a thing exists any more). I accept that I am probably in the wrong thread with this view!
 
Rest assured it's in the process of doing so.


I think the bloke is the best chance they have at present
But really he is leading a dead party and he doesn’t have the charisma or leadership skills to turn the tanker round
They have nothing to offer whatsoever
All labour are good for at the moment is teeets about Tory’s.
to me I think his party don’t actually want to win
They are arsenal
 
I think the bloke is the best chance they have at present
But really he is leading a dead party and he doesn’t have the charisma or leadership skills to turn the tanker round
They have nothing to offer whatsoever
All labour are good for at the moment is teeets about Tory’s.
to me I think his party don’t actually want to win
They are arsenal


Some PLP members have got a good screw, with a few side jobs to keep them busy from doing stuff such as challenging the government of the day. One of them even said "They we're fucking terrified" about taking power in 2017 had Labour won. That came from another now former MP I was speaking to at a Union event.

They put Keir in to maintain this and expect him to do what Blair did within the party to gut the democratic reforms given to the members by Corbyn so they can continue their nice little earners.
 
I think the bloke is the best chance they have at present
But really he is leading a dead party and he doesn’t have the charisma or leadership skills to turn the tanker round
They have nothing to offer whatsoever
All labour are good for at the moment is teeets about Tory’s.
to me I think his party don’t actually want to win
They are arsenal

Starmer and the Parliamentary Labour Party are destroying the Party to save it.

They are the real extremists, but you'll never see it reported as such.
 
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Some PLP members have got a good screw, with a few side jobs to keep them busy from doing stuff such as challenging the government of the day. One of them even said "They we're fucking terrified" about taking power in 2017 had Labour won. That came from another now former MP I was speaking to at a Union event.

They put Keir in to maintain this and expect him to do what Blair did within the party to gut the democratic reforms given to the members by Corbyn so they can continue their nice little earners.
What democratic reforms by Corbyn?
 
Some PLP members have got a good screw, with a few side jobs to keep them busy from doing stuff such as challenging the government of the day. One of them even said "They we're fucking terrified" about taking power in 2017 had Labour won. That came from another now former MP I was speaking to at a Union event.

They put Keir in to maintain this and expect him to do what Blair did within the party to gut the democratic reforms given to the members by Corbyn so they can continue their nice little earners.

It's the only thing they pursue with any enthusiasm....

Keir Starmer expected to back purge of far-left Labour factions​

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ted-to-back-purge-of-far-left-labour-factions

The guardian provides the obligatory bullshit headline.
 
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I like the hypocrisy of someone so obese their chair is buckling, calling out under 25s as being too lazy to get off their backsides.

Awful, awful people.

An event entirely manufactured to further the Starmer/Mandelson 90s revival.

These people are plucked from central casting, wheeled out for the establishment broadcaster, their contributions obligingly chopped and edited and Bingo! The solution to Labour's problems it turns out! Is to become New Labour!

Quelle surprise!
 
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Will be back vaccine passports?
He would bend over if Boris said so
 
"The Establishment decided Thatcher's ideas were safer with a strong Blair government than with a weak Major government. We are given all these personalities to choose between to disguise the fact that the policies are the same." ~ Tony Benn

The establishment have decided those ideas are now safe with a Starmer led Labour Labour party, Corbyn was the real threat to the establishment and he was dealt with accordingly and he was alienated by many despite him increasing the Labour vote share by more than Blair managed after 17 years of Tory rule and only slightly less than Atlee managed.

If the Left of the Labour is constantly marginalised, constantly told we are dinosaurs, constantly lied about and misrepresented what you get is never ending Tory rule, either in the form of the Tory party or a right wing Labour party that the establishment feel comfortable with.
 
Labour representatives are more about keeping themselves on the gravy train than the Conservative’s care about the populous.

Says it all.
 
I despise the Guardian and two years ago now I stopped buying the Observer, Ihad bought the Observer since my teens but it was taken over by the liberal Guardianista and ruined.
I'm don't know what the correct adjective is for this version of the left. I did think liberal, but there's not much liberal about these fuckers.
 
"The Establishment decided Thatcher's ideas were safer with a strong Blair government than with a weak Major government. We are given all these personalities to choose between to disguise the fact that the policies are the same." ~ Tony Benn

The establishment have decided those ideas are now safe with a Starmer led Labour Labour party, Corbyn was the real threat to the establishment and he was dealt with accordingly and he was alienated by many despite him increasing the Labour vote share by more than Blair managed after 17 years of Tory rule and only slightly less than Atlee managed.

If the Left of the Labour is constantly marginalised, constantly told we are dinosaurs, constantly lied about and misrepresented what you get is never ending Tory rule, either in the form of the Tory party or a right wing Labour party that the establishment feel comfortable with.
See he’s out again telling everyone what he won’t/wouldn’t do. I remember when the LOTO used to tell people at least a few things he would do but not this feller.
 
I'm don't know what the correct adjective is for this version of the left. I did think liberal, but there's not much liberal about these fuckers.
Many on the right refer to them as liberal fascists, they purport that because they control academia they control the import of values onto society and those values are intolerant of dissent.

A quick google search gives you the likes of this guy who writes the following



"It is my belief that the impact of this intolerance on society is both far-reaching and damaging. One of the problems with intolerant world views and ideologies is that they require unquestioning adherence to a specific set of beliefs and values, even when these are shown to be harmful to individuals and wider society. Conformity is more important than truth. The liberal fascist's commitment to political correctness and their belief in the superiority of liberal values has led to a situation in which 'correct belief' is valued above evidence and reason, often to the detriment of society. So, for many years British society has been unable to have a grownup discussion about mass immigration because those who questioned its benefit and impact were accused of racism. Equally, the grooming of mainly white girls by predominantly Asian gangs in places like Rotherham and Newcastle was not dealt with effectively by the authorities, in part because of sensitivities around the race of the perpetrators. Similarly, the whole issue of gender identity and transgenderism appears to be driven by ideological considerations, rather than evidence and reason. Some are already questioning the negative impact of this upon vulnerable children and there is concern that this ideology is leading to damaging and inappropriate medical intervention."

As you can see it is classic Tiny Tommy ten names stuff.

Liberal fascism - the most dangerous intolerance? | Comment Central

If you want to read it all. It is pretty much what you expect from a RW nutjob.
 

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