Political relations between UK-EU

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mancity2012_eamo said:
So f

So from here on in you’ve nobody to blame but yourselves?
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Absolutely correct.

That’s what those in power who saw to Brexit will struggle with and are struggling with.

The incompetence around immigration for example, can’t be blamed on Brussels.
 
Octavian said:
That powers did return from Brussels to London?
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Ok. Yes they did. that’s what Brexit means. Again, I’m struggling mate.

Do you think we are disputing that Certain things like cap were agreed at EU level? Cause we really aren’t.

Or are you demonstrating that you understand that there are a range of responsibilities that flow back from the EU to U.K. to be further sub divided between Westminster and devolved government. I’m not quite clear.

if you are using that as an example of why ‘leavers’ would vote leave to get these powers back then yes they might have albeit We lose efficiencies of scale because we have to replicate some or all of the infrastructure ourselves + many of those powers (for example) fisheries are dependent on our friends in the EU anyway and although we have the power to make our own laws re fishing we are also super dependent on the EU to buy the fish we catch.
 
west didsblue said:
Funnily enough the former lorry driver who used to post on here in favour of Brexit was insistent that it was crucial for Ireland that the UK was used as a land bridge and when it was suggested that many logistics operators would simply sail goods straight past the UK he wouldn't have it. The EU and Ireland went ahead and invested in port infrastructure and in the UK those in power and their supporters just sat around and said it would never happen.
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Not ‘avin that. We didn’t just sit around we built a hummungus great car park in Kent. Incidentally do we actually use it?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Ok. Yes they did. that’s what Brexit means. Again, I’m struggling mate.

Do you think we are disputing that Certain things like cap were agreed at EU level? Cause we really aren’t.

Or are you demonstrating that you understand that there are a range of responsibilities that flow back from the EU to U.K. to be further sub divided between Westminster and devolved government. I’m not quite clear.

if you are using that as an example of why ‘leavers’ would vote leave to get these powers back then yes they might have albeit We lose efficiencies of scale because we have to replicate some or all of the infrastructure ourselves + many of those powers (for example) fisheries are dependent on our friends in the EU anyway and although we have the power to make our own laws re fishing we are also super dependent on the EU to buy the fish we catch.
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Yeah I’m not saying it’s a good thing, I’m not saying it was the right thing to do, I’m just saying powers were returned and that is, if they were honest at the time, what leave should have campaigned on, rather than any sort of trade or economic reason.
 
Kayaking on Loch Gairloch today, more or less the end of their season. One of the young men in charge said he would usually be spending the winter working on ski resorts in Europe but “Brexit (and Covid)” had put paid to that over the last couple of years.

The host at our B&B in Ullapool, not a small place, had driven to the next town to the Cash and Carry and the bigger Tesco but report lots of items not available and lay the supply issues at Brexit’s door.

Further north it was a familiar story that hotels, guest houses etc weren’t able to operate to full capacity due to not being able to get staff. One specifically mentioned the Polish staff who are usually here at this time of year.

I was initially trying to comfort all these sad sacks by telling them that they should concentrate on the benefits of Brexit which will be here anytime now but the awkward buggers kept asking me what they were and I couldn’t remember. I don’t think me mumbling sovereignty and power back and our own laws really cut it with them
 
Octavian said:
It was only meant to be a small point in response to someone else but you and your roommate got hysterical
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You’re right about it being a small point in that it was probably vaguely relevant if it was being discussed in early 2016. I’ll ignore the rather pathetic dig at the end.
 
west didsblue said:
You’re right about it being a small point in that it was probably vaguely relevant if it was being discussed in early 2016. I’ll ignore the rather pathetic dig at the end.
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Should have ignored it if you felt like that
 
Octavian said:
“The leave campaign just lied about it. If only people like you had taken the time to understand the arguments in 2016.”

This is what you said, don’t forget a second pretend you didn’t think I voted leave in you saying that.

I genuinely don’t believe anyone really knew, those leading either campaign included. I don’t think you knew what you were voting for either. Even people who were paid to know, in hindsight, were talking absolute waffle.

People can pretend they did and say now they knew exactly what was going to happen but very few were saying it in 2016.

Nobody who voted in 2016 is guilty of anything today and the voting booth is anonymous, so blaming anyone for the political situation 5 years later is wrong.

Even if people voted for Brexit, they didn’t vote for how it was going to be handled by the government.

And regarding the “mess” people are talking about, I think that’s being a little overplayed but we’ll see how it plays out.
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Well, there you have it.

All the Project Fear stuff, the dismissal of experts, they / we were all guessing about what a shitshow Brexit would be, and it's just pure chance that Brexit is indeed a shitshow.

And we're led by Liar Johnson who knew it would be a shitshow. He knows it's a mess but relies on people who want to deny the obvious.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Ha ha ha ha - the EU must be quaking in their boots - not - they just need to simply point out "Brexit has not been done" as an answer to any questions ( we Brits love a short snappy slogan ) and wait for the Brexit lovers heads to explode as the penny eventually drops that they have been had.

www.theguardian.com

UK extends post-Brexit grace period over Northern Ireland indefinitely

Government source says UK wants to ‘create space for talks to happen without deadlines looming’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Gaslighting in a sentence:


Frost said that “to provide space for potential further discussions, and to give certainty and stability to businesses while any such discussions proceed, the government will continue to operate the protocol on the current basis”.

We're not changing anything until we change something, and this will give certainty and stability.
 
Vic said:
Well, there you have it.

All the Project Fear stuff, the dismissal of experts, they / we were all guessing about what a shitshow Brexit would be, and it's just pure chance that Brexit is indeed a shitshow.

And we're led by Liar Johnson who knew it would be a shitshow. He knows it's a mess but relies on people who want to deny the obvious.
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I don’t think he knew either way which is just as bad, possibly worse. But I don’t think remain really knew either.
 
Octavian said:
I don’t think he knew either way which is just as bad, possibly worse. But I don’t think remain really knew either.
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I really don't want to spend too much time revisiting all the stuff you seem to have missed here in the last five years, but Liar Johnson knew and the official Leave campaign knew, which is why they denied we'd be leaving the single market, and lied that even if we left "we will still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border".
 
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Vic said:
I really don't want to spend too much time revisiting all the stuff you seem to have missed here in the last five years, but Liar Johnson knew and the official Leave campaign knew, which is why they denied we'd be leaving the single market, and lied that even if we left "we will still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border".
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Reading between the lines I think some on this page have spent 5 years saying how bad it will be, they have to dramatise the issues that have happened to an even greater degree than is accurate to prove how right they were.

There’s no doubt Brexit has caused issues but people saying we’re absolutely fucked are ignoring the state of the economy.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
That is a factual description of what was known prior to the vote. those that articulated it were attacked as ‘project fear’ whilst mindless soundbites attracted the hard of thinking. It doesn’t touch on some of the criminality that surrounded the leave campaign either.

You would have thought that this would be enough damage for liar Johnson to inflict on the British people but no. We have his handling of the pandemic, crony corruption and more recently Afghanistan thrown in for kicks and giggles. Plenty more where that came from too.
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I'm afraid I will never forget the way they sacrificed the care home population during early to middle covid time.
 
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