I think the refs are good on the whole and the scrutiny of every single decision is fucking stupid and unrealistic.It’s time for a proper professional referees body, not just the highly paid amateurish shysters we have now masquerading as professionals.
The current system clearly isn’t driving up the quality of refereeing. We have premier league games repeatedly affected by poor decisions. There’s no sense of a professional body that is working effectively to improve standards. It’s the same faces pretending everything they’ve done is perfect every week.
Hire referees from across Europe, or even from around the world. Have an independent panel to review their decisions and put measures in place to improve performances. Explain if there are mistakes. If any are consistently crap then don’t renew their contract. Have a referee of the season award. Bring back the respect for referees at the top level.
This is arguably the biggest football competition in the world and produces a fantastic quality of football, but watch almost any other high-level competition and you see a better standard of referees.
Wow. I can only assume this happened after the twat left the PL, if not then surely both parties should have been reprimanded ... or is that just being plain silly ? ;)Clattenburg
Have to disagree, wanted to keep 11 red shirts on the pitch. If cancelling had done what Milner did, second yellow.It's frustrating because Milner really deserved 3 yellow cards for 3 independently bad challenges. Each of those 3 tackles warranted a yellow by itself, not as a matter of accumulated small fouls. He should have been off and then some.
There's a lot of goalpost moving in the arguments about the refereeing v. Liverpool, where Fern and "tactical fouling" come up, but it's really not the same thing. Tierney wanted to finish a cracking match for the neutrals with 22 men on the pitch, even though by the rules Milner deserved to be off and then some.
It defeats the point of having a system with yellow cards if refs are overwhelmingly interested in finishing with full rosters for the sake of the spectacle such that they won't finish a "gift-wrapped" sending off late on in the second half. If Tierney won't send Milner there, he would never send off anyone. What's the point?
Well how come we are always refereed by the 0.1% then? Ever thought that it's that 0.1% that make it to the top and get the "big" matches?Whilst I was as upset as everyone on here with the officials performance yesterday, I am amazed that anyone can actually call into question the integrity of the officials and their leadership.
Incompetent they may appear, but actually 'bent' they are not. We lose the argument taking this stance and with no actual evidence leave our credibility at a lower level than the people we accuse.
I had 37 years as a referee, covering games from parks to efl level and never at any time have I even heard of a 'supposed' story relating to referees being bent. Ive met some great refs, some good ones and the odd bloody awful ones, but 99.9% of them were reffing cos they loved the game and wanted to put something back into it.
Lets criticise them by all means, but I still believe they just get things wrong, even with VAR. A change at the top is however long overdue.
First game we lost in our title winning season under Mancini. Chelsea away.
Belotelli puts us 1 up after about a minute, soon after David Silva is brought down in the box, nailed on pen.
Not to Clattenburg it wasn't. Pundits couldn't believe it.
Then for good measure he sends Clichy off and we get beat 2-1.
A total prick of a man
Perhaps you’re right, but I do feel like it’s getting worse. City have seen some down right bizarre refereeing this season already. Tanganga at Spurs, Milner at the weekend. I can accept a mistake because reffing isn’t an easy job, but these things just seem like decisions are getting taken in a way that is outside the laws of the game.I think the refs are good on the whole and the scrutiny of every single decision is fucking stupid and unrealistic.
Granted getting big and clear decisions wrong is unacceptable but I think referees get far too much stick.
I much prefer - by a bloody mile - the Prem refs to the CL refs!
Fucking deluded.Whilst I was as upset as everyone on here with the officials performance yesterday, I am amazed that anyone can actually call into question the integrity of the officials and their leadership.
Hang on KazClattenburg
@oakiecokie I am pretty sure it didn't. I think the two posters are getting mixed up. A football agent claimed he gave ferguson a gold watch to fix a match. The claim was made in an American Court case (bribery)Wow. I can only assume this happened after the twat left the PL, if not then surely both parties should have been reprimanded ... or is that just being plain silly ? ;)
PL refs make ~40k pounds, US football referees (and there are a ton of them per match) make 205k dollars. Think if we paid more for referees we would see a better talent pipeline for accuracy and accountability.This is arguably the biggest football competition in the world and produces a fantastic quality of football, but watch almost any other high-level competition and you see a better standard of referees.
He showed it to my mate when he was back up in the north east. Although I wasn't there myself, my mate was adamant and is not the kind of person to make stuff up.Hang on Kaz
@oakiecokie I am pretty sure it didn't. I think the two posters are getting mixed up. A football agent claimed he gave ferguson a gold watch to fix a match. The claim was made in an American Court case (bribery)
Yes, for 2 hours work a week and they can't even get that right it seems.PL refs make ~40k pounds,
I’m not into horse racing but it seems there is a City ‘handicap’ applied by the refs to even the teams, whether deliberately or not. Some are worse than others.It is not the major decisions that they get 'wrong' that bugs me the most but the incessant times they blow against us for the minor infringements and don't for the opposition. Indeed some aren't infringements at all. Every single game I watch I believe we are reffed differently. I know people think it is blue bias but I have friends who support other clubs, indeed some who don't support any club, who have agreed.
Two years ago my brother retired from the Police after 30 years and if anyone says that the Police service is institutionally racist he totally disagrees, but report after report tells us that it isWhilst I was as upset as everyone on here with the officials performance yesterday, I am amazed that anyone can actually call into question the integrity of the officials and their leadership.
Incompetent they may appear, but actually 'bent' they are not. We lose the argument taking this stance and with no actual evidence leave our credibility at a lower level than the people we accuse.
I had 37 years as a referee, covering games from parks to efl level and never at any time have I even heard of a 'supposed' story relating to referees being bent. Ive met some great refs, some good ones and the odd bloody awful ones, but 99.9% of them were reffing cos they loved the game and wanted to put something back into it.
Lets criticise them by all means, but I still believe they just get things wrong, even with VAR. A change at the top is however long overdue.
For the life of me I can't think what they would be happy about! Results in games that don't reflect what happened during the ninety minutes? Surely they'd want a game where their refereeing was 'watertight'! The opportunity to hide an atrocious decision behind a couple of coloured cards? The state of being totally immune from any sanction for making a complete bollocks of an incident (apart from a couple of games in the Championship)! I think the fact that Attwell continues to referee at the highest level after the 'goal' he awarded when the ball went a yard wide just about sums up the level we are at!What should be questioned is why they are getting so many important decisions wrong when they all have the ability now to go to the pitch side monitor and check anything they are not sure about. This is what should be questioned by the PL?! Strangely they are happy with the service they are getting from PGMOL
The Crystal Palace vs rags Cup final is a perfect exampleAny decision that Clattenburg gave was suspect. That guy has a VERY shady history.
The mystery surrounding his swift exit from the PiGMOL is pretty telling.The Crystal Palace vs rags Cup final is a perfect example
Clattenburg photographed laughing and joking with Ferguson directly before kick off and two hugely controversial decisions going against Palace in the game