10 | Jack Grealish - 2021/22 Performances

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i♥city said:
People act like it's a crime to tell the truth here! How could anyone in their right mind say Grealish has been a success here? If we are going to go by that standard then Sterling is a god and Mahrez is an all time legend!

Let's just be honest with ourselves, let's assume Grealish was signed by the rags, the dippers or Chelsea and then goes on to replicate the form he has shown so far, would anyone here go crazy about his performance? Would anyone here call him a Success? How many of us here would have made fun of the rags or the dippers for splashing out 100m on Grealish?

Second scenario, Let's say we tried to sign Grealish and Villa told us he would cost 100m and we walk away and then Grealish stays at Villa and replicates the form he has shown so far, how many of us here would be happy that we walked away from the deal? How many of us would laugh at Villa for thinking we would have paid them 100m for Grealish? How many of us would feel like we dodged a bullet?

I get that Grealish is a City player and I really hope it works out but this delusion that some fans have about Grealish being a success is not how you support a footballer.

The same ones who would call Sancho a flop despite being the younger, less experienced player who has played fewer games in his first season in the pl are the same ones that would tell you Grealish is already a legend despite having a well below average season so far in a league he has been in for about 5 years now. That's just hypocrisy!
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Not being allowed to play his own game. Trying to be too much of team player. We need the arrogant, with attitude Jack back. We are coaching all his best traits out of him. Let him be himself, then you will see the player we bought.
 
BlueMoonz1977 said:
Lets remember that it takes the first season when you arrive to adjust to Pep's style and what he wants from a new signing

If for example he had gone to say, the rags or dippers, he probably may have had a more exciting start - because there tactics are either

a) non-existent (rags) so he would have freedom to roam where he liked or
B) kick and rush football (dippers)

Grealish is learning to adjust his talent so it works in tandem with Pep's methods - it will take this season for that to bed in properly
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amen! leroy and bernardo were terrible in their first season with pep!
 
come-on-barney said:
Not being allowed to play his own game. Trying to be too much of team player. We need the arrogant, with attitude Jack back. We are coaching all his best traits out of him. Let him be himself, then you will see the player we bought.
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The discipline has to come before the genius otherwise it's scattergun which is not as effective. That's why it takes players a year or so to settle into the system. Once the player has acquired that discipline, only then can he be set free. My view is that Sane, for example, never acquired that discipline.
 
richards30 said:
amen! leroy and bernardo were terrible in their first season with pep!
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Not comparable, Sane was 20 years old with 1 full season of 1st team football under his belt on top of coming to a new league and Bernie just couldn't dislodge a prime Sterling.

Grealish is 26 and from this league. The only adapting he needs to do is to Peps high press possession football.
 
01cravend said:
Not comparable, Sane was 20 years old with 1 full season of 1st team football under his belt on top of coming to a new league and Bernie just couldn't dislodge a prime Sterling.

Grealish is 26 and from this league. The only adapting he needs to do is to Peps high press possession football.
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At Villa he didn't face teams that parked the bus, he also didn't play every 3 days , there's enough to adapt to.
 
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It feels strange to defend Grealish by saying he'll improve with time once he gets used to Pep's system because I actually think he's been playing really well already, but I do think he needs to be moved centrally and Foden back out wide for things to really unlock. Grealish is a creative, a bit of a maverick, a ball-carrier - Pep's ideas for wingers do go against his natural instincts and I'd like to see him moved towards the middle so he can start to influence the entire game rather than just our attacking moves.
 
youngbob said:
It feels strange to defend Grealish by saying he'll improve with time once he gets used to Pep's system because I actually think he's been playing really well already, but I do think he needs to be moved centrally and Foden back out wide for things to really unlock. Grealish is a creative, a bit of a maverick, a ball-carrier - Pep's ideas for wingers do go against his natural instincts and I'd like to see him moved towards the middle so he can start to influence the entire game rather than just our attacking moves.
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this is it. if Grealish does not contibute well. the blame should clearly fall on pep for not using him properly.
 
Agueroooo9320 said:
this is it. if Grealish does not contibute well. the blame should clearly fall on pep for not using him properly.
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I don't think it's a case of Grealish not contributing either. He's been directly involved in 5 goals in 14 appearances, he's won the Bluemoon Man of the Match poll twice, and so far his worst performance in a blue shirt was away at Anfield where a better refereeing performance would have seen us come away with a win anyway.

He's barely been given a chance to get going but has still been playing pretty well, and considering he's sort of out of position I'd say he's been doing really well. I think a lot of peoples' perceptions of him have been affected by the Euros, where he was mostly used as a wildcard option late into games - that's not really what he is for us.
 
Nihilist said:
I'm afraid thats not how football works, Chelsea has paid almost the same money for Lukaku and he has 3 goals in 7 games so far. Keep in mind hes a CF and scoring goals is mostly what hes supposed to do.
United has paid 70 mil for Sancho and he has zero goals , zero assists and 0 contribution overall.
Would argue that Grealish has been better than both so far as overall contribution.
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Yup. And I’d add that anyone writing any of those three off as shit buys at this stage is being a tad premature.
 
youngbob said:
I don't think it's a case of Grealish not contributing either. He's been directly involved in 5 goals in 14 appearances, he's won the Bluemoon Man of the Match poll twice, and so far his worst performance in a blue shirt was away at Anfield where a better refereeing performance would have seen us come away with a win anyway.

He's barely been given a chance to get going but has still been playing pretty well, and considering he's sort of out of position I'd say he's been doing really well. I think a lot of peoples' perceptions of him have been affected by the Euros, where he was mostly used as a wildcard option late into games - that's not really what he is for us.
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exactly Jack is someone who like to get on the ball a lot in the middle and drive the team forward. he is not someone who was supposed to be told to hug the touchline and bet his man with pace and get to to the byline to cross. it was never his game, I am not sure Pep has seen Jack play before form the way he is trying to use him. I blame Pep more than Jack for his lack of impact till now. but considering all this I still fell Jack is playing well, not great but well enough.
 
Newman Noggs said:
The discipline has to come before the genius otherwise it's scattergun which is not as effective. That's why it takes players a year or so to settle into the system. Once the player has acquired that discipline, only then can he be set free. My view is that Sane, for example, never acquired that discipline.
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Except Sane was really exciting to watch
 
Red Jericho said:
I always felt that in a false 9 system, the wingers would be given more freedom to cut in rather than sticking out wide. Having the wingers hugging the touchline seems pointless as it reduces the goal threat. Look at Liverpool, Salah and Mane cut in frequently and Firmino drops deep and then the fullbacks provide width. Pep is going to have to change his tactics mid-season
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Who cares about the dippers , they dont play like us at all and pep will adjust as he wants
 
Keeper! said:
Not having a go at Grealish here but what options does the manager have?

Sterling, form gone, Mahrez struggling , KDB knackered, Torres injured, Zinch injured.

A fit Grealish is almost guaranteed to start because of these issues.
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I mean going off history Pep doesn't just play players for the sake of it. We've seen him stubbornly keep players out of the team before if he doesn't think they're of a good enough standard in that moment.

Also, the fact Grealish is playing means that even if those players above listed are struggling, Grealish is still doing either more or better than them in Pep's eyes, and significantly he's doing enough to be worthy of consistent selection.


Maybe he's not doing particularly amazingly, but the evidence based off selections alone would suggest he's hitting a certain level.
 
kaz7 said:
Who cares about the dippers , they dont play like us at all and pep will adjust as he wants
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but he does have a point @kaz7, if you play inverted wingers their main strength is to come inside and have many options to pass or shoot, having overlapping fulbacks are necessary for that as well. there is no point in having inverted wingers high and out wide.
 
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