I’ve not called you a single name. I’ve referred to anti-vaxxers. I’m aware you’ve had your vaccine.Honestly mate, i think youve got muddled up with who youre getting your knick-knocks in a twist with.
im not anti vax
Im not covid denier
I believe everyone should get jabbed if they can
But … im was calling you (and others) out on the “let em die” comments.
I dont believe u would stand and let some one die if you could help.
We all pay in (yes i know some much more than others) and the NHS is cradle to the grave.
if someone makes the mistake of not being jabbed and ends up poorly, i still believe they deserve care. We all make mistakes.
have a good day and lets leave it be :)
Given that most of the over 40s had AZ, the current lower levels of hospitalisations and deaths (roughly 4x lower for hospitalisations and 10x lower for deaths) in comparison to the Jan peak when there were similar infection levels to now would seem to show the effect of AZ (as >40s are most at risk of having a bad case of Covid). If you are asking about the effectiveness against Omicron then the answer is we don't know yet - but that is true of all vaccines.Anyone know what the score is with those that have had the AZ jab? Keep seeing ‘inactivated vaccine’ but don’t know if AZ was active or inactive. Has anything been said about it’s effectiveness at all?
AZ isn't a inactivated vaccine so no worries there.Anyone know what the score is with those that have had the AZ jab? Keep seeing ‘inactivated vaccine’ but don’t know if AZ was active or inactive. Has anything been said about it’s effectiveness at all?
I would also add the amount of people in South Africa who have weakened immune systems due to HIV circa 7.7 million at the last count so who knows how many more undetected - Gauteng province carries around 20% of that number.There are many problems comparing SA and the UK. The major ones being:
1. The average life span in SA is 64.13 years and in the UK it is 81.2 years (+ a couple of years if your female, - a couple of years if you're a man). So a huge chunk (17 years worth) of the most vulnerable have already died in SA. Those who survive to be 80 in the black community generally have constitutions of an Ox so you can't even compare deaths in the age cohorts and multiply numbers up.
2. It's winter in the UK and summer in SA. There us normally a 15x multiplier for flu cases in the UK but for Covid it appears to be a lot less - maybe 3x or 4x as restrictions in the EU have gradually stopped keeping the effective R0 near to 1 since the start of October.
3. The UK is 70% vaccinated. SA is 24%
4. Previous Covid waves have ripped through SA. Though it appears SA antibody levels are slightly lower than in the UK - 92% on average falling to 80% in youth cohorts (late October). In SA I think the figure is lower i heard 85% on a TV broadcast but can't find a web article to back this up.
5. Omicon has antibody escape. What this means yet we don't know.
The figures for severity (hospitalisation and death) are looking very good in SA but how this translates to the UK is only a guess. Seeing how Omicron increases in the 5% of cases that are genome tested will help determine what we can really take from the SA experience. Remember there are two distinct Omicon strains one with the S gene drop our (BA.1) that can be easily detected and one without the drop out (BA.2)
Given that most of the over 40s had AZ, the current lower levels of hospitalisations and deaths (roughly 4x lower for hospitalisations and 10x lower for deaths) in comparison to the Jan peak when there were similar infection levels to now would seem to show the effect of AZ (as >40s are most at risk of having a bad case of Covid). If you are asking about the effectiveness against Omicron then the answer is we don't know yet - but that is true of all vaccines.
Think my reference was about me bullshitting or some such comment. As ive said, youre an intelligent man, dont stoop to name callingI’ve not called you a single name. I’ve referred to anti-vaxxers. I’m aware you’ve had your vaccine.
And you’re right, I wouldn’t let anyone die, but I’d make them it for their treatment like plenty of countries do.
Some of the worst anti vaxxers deserve to be called out and if the language used upsets them then tough shit. Their stance which is prolonging the current situation and puts others in danger can't be dealt with by using niceties, they are far too gone for that.Think my reference was about me bullshitting or some such comment. As ive said, youre an intelligent man, dont stoop to name calling
are we taking financial details before collecting them in the ambulance ? Or do they get the bill when they leave hospital? Wheres the line drawn?
10 Downing Street. There’s a massive rave planned, but keep it on the low down. <taps nose>Back on to NHS website brought my booster forward again to this Monday..think I'll be in good shape to hit a club Christmas eve..now where do the over 45s go ?
I done my bit in every lockdown, only just level with money from my partner been off with last lockdown, but to be lied to like we have , and for them to throw parties I’m done with them, I won’t be voting Tory again if he in chargeBut - more seriously than I was trying to say above - I agree the virus is not going away now and we will have to find an equilibrium with it - but the number of mutations it is going through show how surprisingly adaptable it is. We cannot presume vulnerability will remain in stasis. It could mutate (and may even already have done so) into a form targetting the ones it has not yet got to and might mutate further in ways that make illness more serious in them).
We have to react to it with our knowledge and science and do things that protect the community not just some.
I agree we also need society to live as normally as possible now. I do not expect we will ever see a full lockdown again unless a doomsday variant arrives. Which I doubt it will. But could by chance. In the meantime we have to take some measures in mid winter to keep the NHS able to deal with the thousand other things in this period that people will need it for. Being swamped by patients who likely will survive may still kill others by defaut. That is why we are doing what we are now. To slow this highly infectious wave down. Not to stop it. That is now impossible.
If we had 500,000 cases a day not 50,000 it will not matter how much milder it usually is if that fills up all beds in a few days by sheer weight of numbers. As 1% of a million is still 10,000 and at that rate the NHS will be swamped in a week.
I can totally disagree with someones stance whilst also having the desire to provide them with NHS treatment if required without being charged on top of what theyve already paid in.Some of the worst anti vaxxers deserve to be called out and if the language used upsets them then tough shit. Their stance which is prolonging the current situation and puts others in danger can't be dealt with by using niceties, they are far too gone for that.
I know you don't fall into that category as you've been vaxxed but your posts definitely err on the side of having sympathy for them. They deserve none imo. They aren't the saviours of democracy that they think they are, they are small minded fuckwits who are a danger to society. That's why, as callous as it may seem to you, and may well come across as Internet warrior behaviour, I've no sympathy at all if they suffer in the worst possible way because of their actions.
I can totally disagree with someones stance whilst also having the desire to provide them with NHS treatment if required without being charged on top of what theyve already paid in.
thats where my stance begins and ends. Ive no sympathy people getting ill if it couldve been avoided by having the jab. Same as someone getting lung cancer after smoking 20 fags a day.
but i also believe they all should be treated. Because we are a civilised nation with health care for all.
It's not a treatment.As I posted earlier, just for debate as I do think people shouldn't be denied treatments.
The NHS have provided treatment in the form of a vaccine. a treatment they have rejected.
Should the NHS then provide far more expensive alternative treatments for free just because someone decided they didn't want the treatment on offer?
It's not a treatment.
I done my bit in every lockdown, only just level with money from my partner been off with last lockdown, but to be lied to like we have , and for them to throw parties I’m done with them, I won’t be voting Tory again if he in charge
Dicks will be dicks and the countries full of em in all sorts of ways!As I posted earlier, just for debate as I do think people shouldn't be denied treatments.
The NHS have provided treatment in the form of a vaccine. a treatment they have rejected.
Should the NHS then provide far more expensive alternative treatments for free just because someone decided they didn't want the treatment on offer?
I do not blame you. I have actually spent a day in the House of Westminster briefing politicians and sitting in on sessions. Years ago and on a subject a million miles from Covid. It was quite an eye opener. A former Prime Minister was there. I was ordered not to mention his name as he did not want to be linked to the subject matter of my briefing because people would think he was hiding things. As he was. Though I was too young to probably see it then. I don't think I have trusted any politician since I realised that - if someting as trivial as I was there for was regarded as damaging to his image if people found out he was even listening to me - then how could I trust any of them on big things.I done my bit in every lockdown, only just level with money from my partner been off with last lockdown, but to be lied to like we have , and for them to throw parties I’m done with them, I won’t be voting Tory again if he in charge
Dicks will be dicks and the countries full of em in all sorts of ways!
but no one has answered me , where is the line drawn.
Do boozers get a second chance if they get a new liver and fuck that one up? Even though drinkers cost the NHS BILLIONS!
its all very simplistic to say “bill them” but we also all know its a total mute point as its not gonna hapoen.
we all pay into a health care system FOR ALL!
and thank god eh?
Have they? So we don't need restrictions then?I think you need to change your name to PedanticAtTheDisco.
the point stands, the NHS have provided a solution that stops you getting severely sick.
Have they? So we don't need restrictions then?