P & O

metalblue said:
I think he said that’s what the sacked workers were on.
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He did say that and I can assure you only the top senior OBS managers onboard got that and deck and engineering officers. Your stewards and such earned the minimum wage up to a maximum of £28,000. That top figure would be for a cashier who did all the foreign exchange and banking onboard, a highly stressful job. That person would have been there many years to be on that pay scale too. A newly promoted cashier would start at around £14,000. I worked for them for 27 years and over those years saw the pay scales gradually eroded so only old hands like myself were on the top rates of pay. For new starters it would take them years to reach that and then I think the top ceiling was set lower. Something else often overlooked is the manning was being reduced to the bare minimum. This of course piled more work and stress onto the crew. They could do this because a core crew lived onboard. These crew who were asleep were covering the mandatory muster stations required for the ship to sail. So they'd finish a 12-14 hour shift and go to bed. If there was an emergency they had to get up and man muster stations. As these crew were the more experienced they would be in charge of areas with up to 200 passengers in to control, get into lifejackets etcetera. On evacuation they would then be in charge of a liferaft with 50 people inside.

P&O management and DP world are a shower of cunts on a scale never seen before and trust me they weren't great before.
 
carlosthejackal said:
Sadly he will be the pin up boy to certain sections of British society including a few on here .
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The man is a pure ****, a throwback to a different era we thought had long gone. I've seen some horrible bastards in my time in positions like his but he's the worst. He openly admitted the company and himself broke the legal agreements in place to negotiate with trade unions on any job changes because, "No union would ever have agreed to the changes." Staggering.
 
I just saw the brief snippet itv showed. The labour mp chair seemed very good, sensible, straight forward questions and certainly got the point home.
Once you get to Starmer/Johnson levels you seem to lose that but he looked good.
 
paulchapo said:
He did say that and I can assure you only the top senior OBS managers onboard got that and deck and engineering officers. Your stewards and such earned the minimum wage up to a maximum of £28,000. That top figure would be for a cashier who did all the foreign exchange and banking onboard, a highly stressful job. That person would have been there many years to be on that pay scale too. A newly promoted cashier would start at around £14,000. I worked for them for 27 years and over those years saw the pay scales gradually eroded so only old hands like myself were on the top rates of pay. For new starters it would take them years to reach that and then I think the top ceiling was set lower. Something else often overlooked is the manning was being reduced to the bare minimum. This of course piled more work and stress onto the crew. They could do this because a core crew lived onboard. These crew who were asleep were covering the mandatory muster stations required for the ship to sail. So they'd finish a 12-14 hour shift and go to bed. If there was an emergency they had to get up and man muster stations. As these crew were the more experienced they would be in charge of areas with up to 200 passengers in to control, get into lifejackets etcetera. On evacuation they would then be in charge of a liferaft with 50 people inside.

P&O management and DP world are a shower of cunts on a scale never seen before and trust me they weren't great before.
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It did seem quite high for the average based on everything else I’d read, and certainly way over stated based on your testimony. Trouble with P&O is they are in a race to the bottom, cutting corners and costs wherever they can - no one in their right mind should get on one of their boats now given the attitude of senior management
 
I was surprised the guy was so honest. It was difficult for the MP to cross examine him when he just admitted everything, and the MP just got angry.

I did mention the discrimination angle which he tried to deflect. That is the only was a tribunal would pay out more than the workers have been offered.

Minimum wage goes up next week to more or less £20k, which with on-costs would be £25/26k to the company, so and average of £36k doesn't seem high. I would be snatching their hands off for the £46k, which would be £42.8k net wouldn't it compared to about £25k take home?
 
paulchapo said:
The man is a pure ****, a throwback to a different era we thought had long gone. I've seen some horrible bastards in my time in positions like his but he's the worst. He openly admitted the company and himself broke the legal agreements in place to negotiate with trade unions on any job changes because, "No union would ever have agreed to the changes." Staggering.
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And no government (certainly not this shower) will take meaningful action against them so they don't give a shit.
 
Today I'm going into my bank and ordering
them to hand over all the cash they hold. Sure I know it's illegal.....but if I tried to negotiate with them there is no way they'd agree. In my defense I'm using the Peter Hebblethwaite analogy.
 
Peter Hebblewaite isn't a fit and proper person to run a business. He should be struck off as a Director and should resign. His actions were Illegal and immoral.
 
LongsightM13 said:
An absolute psychopath trying to justify amoral behaviour
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Thing with his is whilst he is a **** and should be made to walk the plank he is a useful human shield for Johnson after yesterdays debacle. Normally this would be Transport Sec and Minister for Shipping territory but they are all weighing in on Hebblethwaite whether its part of their brief or not
 
worsleyweb said:
Disgusting behaviour - feel for the poor staff.
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Lots of the ones in Dover I know well and count as friends. A better bunch of dedicated hardworking people you couldn't wish to meet. I'd trust them with my life and indeed everyday onboard i did just that.
 
paulchapo said:
Lots of the ones in Dover I know well and count as friends. A better bunch of dedicated hardworking people you couldn't wish to meet. I'd trust them with my life and indeed everyday onboard i did just that.
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Question is would you trust foreign replacements who are paid a fraction of what they were to be as qualified to run a ferry? Its already being reported that P&O are asking some employees would they like to come back - not sure on what contractual terms - to train the new agency staff up.........
 
bluethrunthru said:
Thing with his is whilst he is a **** and should be made to walk the plank he is a useful human shield for Johnson after yesterdays debacle. Normally this would be Transport Sec and Minister for Shipping territory but they are all weighing in on Hebblethwaite whether its part of their brief or not
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Hebblethwaitehe is the fall guy. He is the pantomime villain employed for exactly the role he is playing. His name even sounds like it comes from some Victorian novel. He's been employed to do this immoral act, take all the shit, resign or be sacked and walk away with a huge bonus. Grant Shapps knew about this in November. The loopholes and legalisation that allows this henious process to happen needs changing.

As for Hepplewhite it just shows you what people will do for money. Thank God some of us have better morals.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Question is would you trust foreign replacements who are paid a fraction of what they were to be as qualified to run a ferry? Its already being reported that P&O are asking some employees would they like to come back - not sure on what contractual terms - to train the new agency staff up.........
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I wouldn't trust them at all no. I actually sailed with some foreign crew before I left some were terrible but filled a gap.

That's why they are dangling large bonuses to captains and officers to go back. Forgetting the sharp end of an actual emergency there is shit loads of safety checks, maintenance and paperwork connected to legislation to comply with. Of course that's if they actually follow the law.....
 
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