Raheem Sterling | Joins Chelsea for £50m

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SterlingSilvas said:
Its a rule over freedom of movement within the EU, the ruling was made as he was working in an associated country at the time and treated different. Sterling isn't. He is clearly working in a non EU country and looking for a transfer in.

When Madrid sell him on the rule would be applicable, as far I read reads anyway.

i'll ask one of the lawyers on FT.
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It has nothing to do with where you used to work. The only thing that matters is of you’re employed in the EU? If yes you have extended rights. Sterling would be working in the EU when he joins Madrid.

Every cricketer that ever used this rule was coming from outside the EU.

I can’t explain this any more clearly so if some random twitter account telling you you’re wrong is going to satisfy you then go for it, I give up.
 
SterlingSilvas said:
Its a rule over freedom of movement within the EU, the ruling was made as he was working in an associated country at the time and treated different. Sterling isn't. He is clearly working in a non EU country and looking for a transfer in.

When Madrid sell him on the rule would be applicable, as far I read reads anyway.

i'll ask one of the lawyers on FT.
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He is right.

The whole premise is he would be employed by Madrid as a Jamaican, not a UK citizen. And the ruling states that citizens from any country with AA rights are exempt from quota limitations.

and Jamaica IS one of those (despite being listed as the ACP block, which is why I couldn't see it).

A quirk that applies to Sterling but not other English players.
 
domalino said:
It has nothing to do with where you used to work. The only thing that matters is of you’re employed in the EU? If yes you have extended rights. Sterling would be working in the EU when he joins Madrid.

Every cricketer that ever used this rule was coming from outside the EU.

I can’t explain this any more clearly so if some random twitter account telling you you’re wrong is going to satisfy you then go for it, I give up.
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No they werent they were coming from working in associated agreement countries via the OACPS. Sterling isnt, freedom of movement for him wouldnt apply on the second requirement
 
SterlingSilvas said:
No they werent they were coming from associated agreement countries via the OACPS
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Ok, I'll try one last time.

Nowhere in the Kolpak ruling does it say anything about where you were employed before you went to an EU country. It doesn't matter if he's coming from France, Jamaica, the UK or the moon.

The only thing the ruling says is that thanks to his Jamaican passport, and thanks to Jamaica's agreement with the EU, when he is legally employed in the EU, he gets the rights of an EU citizen.

So when he is employed by real madrid, he has the rights of an eu citizen.


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The exchange and the tone it took aside, credit @domalino for knowing or finding that little quirk that should mean Sterling is entitled to play for Madrid with his Jamaican citizenship where he othwereise wouldn't be as a UK national.
 
Coatigan said:
The exchange and the tone it took aside, credit @domalino for knowing or finding that little quirk that should mean Sterling is entitled to play for Madrid with his Jamaican citizenship where he othwereise wouldn't be as a UK national.
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I didn't find it, the Spanish press have been talking about it since Sterling got linked to them appparently. Some spanish dude mentioned it on /r/soccer.
 
I'd rather Sterling ended up at Real than Chelsea myself, so all good. If he isn't up for staying, goes without saying.
 
domalino said:
Ok, I'll try one last time.

Nowhere in the Kolpak ruling does it say anything about where you were employed before you went to an EU country. It doesn't matter if he's coming from France, Jamaica, the UK or the moon.

The only thing the ruling says is that thanks to his Jamaican passport, and thanks to Jamaica's agreement with the EU, when he is legally employed in the EU, he gets the rights of an EU citizen.

So when he is employed by real madrid, he has the rights of an eu citizen.
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I understand you, I just don't think its applicable to this move. Its a ruling on freedom of movement within the EU.

For him to be regarded as an exception, the right would need to exist prior for MCFC->Madrid move, he only meets one of the two requirements to be eligible to be regarded as an EU Citizen today.

(appreciate you taking the time though)
 
SterlingSilvas said:
For him to be regarded as an exception, the right would need to exist prior for MCFC->Madrid move
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I just don't understand where you gotten this from? It's just not part of it at all.

The ruling is really simple. If you're a citizen of a country with an EU AA, you get EU citizens rights while you work in the EU.

It doesn't matter where you've been before you get to the EU.

As soon as he joins Madrid as a player, he's got the benefits. And then when they go to register their squad at the end of the transfer window, he can't be called a non-EU player.
 
SterlingSilvas said:
I understand you, I just don't think its applicable to this move. Its a ruling on freedom of movement within the EU.

For him to be regarded as an exception, the right would need to exist prior for MCFC->Madrid move, he only meets one of the two requirements to be eligible to be regarded as an EU Citizen today.

(appreciate you taking the time though)
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Are you basing it on the fact that's how it was originally applied, to Kolpak himself who was already living in the EU?

If someone is lawfully working in the EU, they have the right if their nation had an AA. Is your point whether he would qualify to enter in the first place? That's where I said I don't know what Spain's policy is on Jamaica in general. Presumably if he has no ristrictions to live and work there, then the ruling would mean he has no sporting restrictions either.
 
domalino said:
I just don't understand where you gotten this from? It's just not part of it at all.

The ruling is really simple. If you're a citizen of a country with an EU AA, you get EU citizens rights while you work in the EU.

It doesn't matter where you've been before you get to the EU.

As soon as he joins Madrid as a player, he's got the benefits. And then when they go to register their squad at the end of the transfer window, he can't be called a non-EU player.
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You need to be already living and working in the EU for it to apply, that part is true.

Younare assuming as a jamaican he would have no issue entering and working in spain. I'm going with that because I don't know otherwise.

But the ruling isnt an automatic entry, it is an extension of rights to those already legally there. That is how it is worded
 
domalino said:
Where have you gotten this from? It's just not true.
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Its ruling on internal freedom of movement within the EU. Its a right applicable to EU citizens or those that meet the 2 exceptions. (AA & Lawfully working)

He's meets neither right now so why would it apply to this move.

It would be a right he has once he signs with Madrid allowing for freedom of movement within the EU then, but for this move I think it'd still be classed as NON-EU to EU and not Internal so he wouldn't get the exception or status change.
 
SterlingSilvas said:
Its ruling on internal freedom of movement within the EU. Its a right applicable to EU citizens or those that meet the 2 exceptions. (AA & Lawfully working)

He's meets neither right now so why would it apply to this move.

It would be a right he has once he signs with Madrid allowing for freedom of movement within the EU then, but for this move I think it'd still be classed as NON-EU to EU and not Internal so he wouldn't get the exception or status change.
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It doesn't matter where he is moving from. All that matters is that he is lawfully in the EU for it to apply to him.
 
SterlingSilvas said:
Its ruling on internal freedom of movement within the EU. Its a right applicable to EU citizens or those that meet the 2 exceptions. (AA & Lawfully working)

He's meets neither right now so why would it apply to this move.

It would be a right he has once he signs with Madrid allowing for freedom of movement within the EU then, but for this move I think it'd still be classed as NON-EU to EU and not Internal so he wouldn't get the exception or status change.
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You're wrong.

I really can't be fucked to explain it another 100 times, but just read the pages I've linked and you can see it's completely not true, or look at the DOZENS of African players who've moved to La Liga because their country was a signatory to the COTONOU agreement. Or the dozens of cricketers who moved from Africa and the West Indies to the UK when it was part of the EU.
 
domalino said:
No you don't. None of these players were living or working in the EU when they moved to work somewhere under the Kolpak rule.



en.wikipedia.org

List of Kolpak cricketers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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You do. Exact wording 'The Kolpak ruling declares that citizens of countries that have applicable AA agreements, AND who are lawfully working in the EU, have equal rights as citizens of the EU.


Again, I'm going with, he would have no issues as a Jamaican having the right to work in the EU because I don't know one way or the other. But that would have to be true first, for the ruling to be active.

It isn't an entry route. It is simply an extension of rights to those already in the EU. Assuming he qualifies for Madrid as through a general entry route, they can't limit his right to play in the league. But he still needs to qualify in the first place. Through a route other than this ruling.
 
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