VAR thread 2022/23

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Alan Harper's Tash said:
Fair enough, I disagree. Handball is straight forward to me now.

Red cards won’t be guess work. The match officials know the laws of our game and apply the, to the best of their ability, both on the field and in Stockley Park. They will never get 100% of calls right as some are subjective.

I’ve no idea what percentage it is accurate, but it is closer to being 100% accurate than with referees on their own. Therefore it is worth it.
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Someone with sense. Thank the Lord!
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Someone with sense. Thank the Lord!
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Sadly, moaning about refs and VAR is part of the football experience these days.

From the moment the referee for the next match is announced, the moaning begins up until a few days after the game, whatever the result.

It‘s a self fulfilling prophecy. They were always going to be crap and here are the reasons we were right all along.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Sadly, moaning about refs and VAR is part of the football experience these days.

From the moment the referee for the next match is announced, the moaning begins up until a few days after the game, whatever the result.

It‘s a self fulfilling prophecy. They were always going to be crap and here are the reasons we were right all along.
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Yep, so many have stated that VAR has ‘killed the game’ ‘ruined it forever’ … yet, here we are, record amount of attendances, record amount of TV viewers and witnessing pure joy in the young at the recent Euros and also having to sit 90 mins opposite City fans loving life on Sunday.

VAR has not killed the game at all - and I think that’s a disappointment for a few on here desperate for controversy every week
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
You can disagree all you want, but the laws of the game are implemented in that way and will continue to be unless you decide to take them to court.
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I'm not disagreeing or arguing I'm saying the ref and var got it wrong on this instance.
Check out

Law 12: Handball explained in detail – HungarianFootball.com

www.hungarianfootball.com www.hungarianfootball.com
and the IFAB examples they've put up

in particular this image

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which is the exact same situation as Dias' scenario ie fast glacing header that hit the defenders hand without any time to react. The IFAB say this isn't handball so case closed for me.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
I'm not disagreeing or arguing I'm saying the ref and var got it wrong on this instance.
Check out

Law 12: Handball explained in detail – HungarianFootball.com

www.hungarianfootball.com www.hungarianfootball.com
and the IFAB examples they've put up

in particular this image

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which is the exact same situation as Dias' scenario ie fast glacing header that hit the defenders hand without any time to react. The IFAB say this isn't handball so case closed for me.
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With all due respect, I was talking about the Premier League.

I can’t comment much on a blurred still from another jurisdiction.

What they will say though is that it’s hit his hand outside of a natural silhouette and therefore a penalty will be given, in all likelihood.

As long as handball decisions are consistent, the ruling minutiae doesn’t matter to me.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Probably loads more but it’s easier to constantly pick holes and be outraged by a handful of decisions then it is to be balanced and in favour of VAR
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I’m not even that much in favour of it. I’d bin it if I could, but on the premise that if it were, nobody could bitch about poor decisions as we’ve decided not to check them.

Alas, we are stuck with the system, so all I want is fairness in decisions, as much as is possible.

As I said before though, the truth doesn’t matter these days. If you can spin the rhetoric in any way to make your team look wronged, fans do it.
 
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Alan Harper's Tash said:
I’m not even that much in favour of it. I’d bin it if I could, but on the premise that if it were, nobody could bitch about poor decisions as we’ve decided not to check them.

Alas, we are stuck with the system, so all I want is fairness in decisions, as much as is possible.

As I said before though, they truth doesn’t matter these days. If you can spin the rhetoric in any way to make your team look wronged, fans do it.
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I’ve always stated I’d scrap VAR and go back to how it was if everyone could be happy with refs and Lino’s making the odd completely blind decision, guessing, players blatantly diving, goals scored even though they was well offside, off the ball horrendous tackles not seen etc

But I’ve a feeling would probably be more outrage now we know we could have technology assistance
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I’ve always stated I’d scrap VAR and go back to how it was if everyone could be happy with refs and Lino’s making the odd completely blind decision, guessing, players blatantly diving, goals scored even though they was well offside, off the ball horrendous tackles not seen etc

But I’ve a feeling would probably be more outrage now we know we could have technology assistance
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There’s STILL all that with your VAR!! Just watch the McTominay Tackle, Maguire push on Trossard, the new guys penalty push and the handball for the goal. Literally all in one fucking game!
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I’ve always stated I’d scrap VAR and go back to how it was if everyone could be happy with refs and Lino’s making the odd completely blind decision, guessing, players blatantly diving, goals scored even though they was well offside, off the ball horrendous tackles not seen etc

But I’ve a feeling would probably be more outrage now we know we could have technology assistance
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You only have to look back the last couple of weeks at the Rags & City to see how certain teams are refereed differently. Mctominay (RED) & the dwarf (PEN) not given inexplicably the Ref (Even Dermot said it was a joke). Then the Alvarez offside, given straight away by a linesman who is under clear instructions to not flag unless its 100% a clear cut offside. Checked by VAR an incorrect disallowed goal then given.

Now only 1 of those 3 incorrect decisions were corrected and that's poor. And that leads to quite understandable frustration. But I'm adamant we'd (CITY) be much worse off without it. The Redshirts got away with murder for decades. VAR is our only hope of levelling that playing field, albeit' s far from perfect.
 
Bluearmy said:
You only have to look back the last couple of weeks at the Rags & City to see how certain teams are refereed differently. Mctominay (RED) & the dwarf (PEN) not given inexplicably the Ref (Even Dermot said it was a joke). Then the Alvarez offside, given straight away by a linesman who is under clear instructions to not flag unless its 100% a clear cut offside. Checked by VAR an incorrect disallowed goal then given.

Now only 1 of those 3 incorrect decisions were corrected and that's poor. And that leads to quite understandable frustration. But I'm adamant we'd (CITY) be much worse off without it. The Redshirts got away with murder for decades. VAR is our only hope of levelling that playing field, albeit' s far from perfect.
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The Alvarez offside played out correctly, given the linesman thought Foden was offside, but wasn’t 100%. Play carried on, it was checked and Foden was in fact onside and the goal therefore stood.
 
SalfordGrimble said:
Can VAR ever be scrapped now? It’s like Pandora’s box. There would just be countless instances of ‘VAR would/wouldn’t have given that’.
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I guess it could be dialled back to only deal with factual decisions like offside and ball out of play, but as you suggest, the genie is out of the bottle.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
The Alvarez offside played out correctly, given the linesman thought Foden was offside, but wasn’t 100%. Play carried on, it was checked and Foden was in fact onside and the goal therefore stood.
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This is incorrect. The linesman flagged for offside. This was despite them being under clear instructions to only flag if 100% sure it is off with no doubt. This is nothing like correct procedure.
 
Bluearmy said:
This is incorrect. The linesman flagged for offside. This was despite them being under clear instructions to only flag if 100% sure it is off with no doubt. This is nothing like correct procedure.
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He flagged offside after the ball was in the net, which is correct procedure if he thinks it is offside, but not certain.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
Premier league referees implement VAR differently to the IFAB guidance. It’s very odd
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As long as it’s consistent, I don’t mind what they do.

I’m not sure showing Dermot Gallagher the video of a Hungarian game to suggest Dias’ handball shouldn’t have been a penalty would get you very far.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
He flagged offside after the ball was in the net, which is correct procedure if he thinks it is offside, but not certain.
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He has no need. Every goal is checked. Its the mindset that automatically we are offside when anything is tight. The only thing clear with the ball already leaving Kdb’s foot is they are both clearly onside. You wont have to wait very long to see a linesman not flag for a similar redshirts goal. This is why we need VAR, we are worse off without it
 

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