There comes a time when you can’t defend the indefensible, we reached that point with VAR about 2 seasons ago .. Goal line technology does not require any interpretation and cannot be manipulated to suit…Genuine yes or no questions and yes some hypothetical scenarios which do occur often without VAR
Would you scrap goal line technology to see if the ball has crossed the line or not ? - If yes, then you may have disallowed a perfectly good goal.
Would you scrap VAR help to determine a offside even if a player is one or 2 foot offside which the lino has missed ? - If yes then you’ve allowed a player to score even though he is clearly offside, not marginal, or by millemeters but way offside.
Would you scrap VAR if there is a off the ball incident - say a player headbutts or punches another player and all the officials miss it ? - - If yes, then you allow that player that’s committed an assault to just carry on
Would you scrap VAR even though a player has dived and cheated the ref and there was zero contact ? - if yes, then you allow players to dive with zero contact and get rewarded with penalty’s
now I know VAR is getting these calls wrong despite the reviews as clearly showed in games yesterday, but the above is what happens without VAR and why in my opinion we need to keep progressing with VAR - it would be farcical to scrap it now and go back to how it was. Nothing would be resolved.
It's fucking up on a weekly basis and leading to more dissolution than ever before so whilst you're obviously looking for an answer to your leading question you won't get one from me. Everyone at some point is getting fucked over by it.Clubs like my hammers and some other fans are saying VAR is being used to protect the top 6 - do you agree with that ?
Or is it just 5 of the top 6 ?
Genuine yes or no questions and yes some hypothetical scenarios which do occur often without VAR
Would you scrap goal line technology to see if the ball has crossed the line or not ? - If yes, then you may have disallowed a perfectly good goal.
No.
Would you scrap VAR help to determine a offside even if a player is one or 2 foot offside which the lino has missed ? - If yes then you’ve allowed a player to score even though he is clearly offside, not marginal, or by millemeters but way offside. Yes. I'd have 4 linesmen.
Yes. I would allow the FA to take retrospective actionWould you scrap VAR if there is a off the ball incident - say a player headbutts or punches another player and all the officials miss it ? - - If yes, then you allow that player that’s committed an assault to just carry on
Yes. Straight red for anyone diving in the boxWould you scrap VAR even though a player has dived and cheated the ref and there was zero contact ? - if yes, then you allow players to dive with zero contact and get rewarded with penalty’s
now I know VAR is getting these calls wrong despite the reviews as clearly showed in games yesterday, but the above is what happens without VAR and why in my opinion we need to keep progressing with VAR - it would be farcical to scrap it now and go back to how it was. Nothing would be resolved.
Clubs like my hammers and some other fans are saying VAR is being used to protect the top 6 - do you agree with that ?
Or is it just 5 of the top 6 ?
It is being used to help the “product”. Watch today is United get an iffy VAR decision in their favour because Arsenal can’t be allowed to run away with the league.
How many would be involved in helping manipulating results ?
Why doesn’t one , just one single official breakaway from the corruption and come out and prove to the world that results are being manipulated to help the product ?
He could make millions
He could also find himself with a custodial sentence and his assets stripped ?How many would be involved in helping manipulating results ?
Why doesn’t one , just one single official breakaway from the corruption and come out and prove to the world that results are being manipulated to help the product ?
He could make millions
How many would be involved in helping manipulating results ?
Why doesn’t one , just one single official breakaway from the corruption and come out and prove to the world that results are being manipulated to help the product ?
He could make millions
He could also find himself with a custodial sentence and his assets stripped ?
I’d study why it took so long for Harvey Weinstein to be exposed for what he had done for decades — that will be a better explanation than anything I could write.How many would be involved in helping manipulating results ?
Why doesn’t one , just one single official breakaway from the corruption and come out and prove to the world that results are being manipulated to help the product ?
He could make millions
You are Dermot Gallagher and I claim my £1,000,000*!Just watched that West Ham decision and I think VAR got it right. Bowen left his left foot low to connect with Mendy.
Have you copied and pasted this from a rant about politicians?!So having spent most of the last week trying to convince myself that, probably, referees know what they are doing and they just don’t explain it well enough and quickly enough, they screw up big time. “What can be done?”, people keep asking. Here are my ideas:
Quality and authority of referees
Inference of bias/corruption
- Increase referees earnings. Make it a very rewarding profession, there is enough money in the game and I am sure there are plenty of authoritative, condescending people in the country (hell, there are plenty on here) who could handle 22 players on a pitch and who want to get rich.
- Get referees from Europe. We have the best players in the world here. What is the issue? Get the best referees as well. Make sure we have the best referees in the world to go with the best “product”.
- Actually punish abuse of referees. Swearing, physical intimidation, crowding. It isn't difficult. Just do it. Fans won't accept referee authority if players don't.
Sorry, post was too long. Felt good to write it, though.
- Simplify the laws and interpretations of the game for marginal and non-marginal infractions. Every Joe in the stadium or at home should be able to judge on sight if something is a handball, a foul, a sending-off offence or, less hopefully admittedly, an off-side.
- Let’s hear the communications between referee and VAR in real-time. Despite the fuck-ups I genuinely believe referees and VAR know what they are doing. Mostly. Let’s hear how they are doing it. There is no valid reason not to.
- Slow motion replays should be banned for TV and VAR. If you need slow motion to check, it isn’t clear and obvious. People want to complain about referees decisions, let them do it at full speed, it’s unfair to referees to go over everything endlessly in slow-motion.
- Increase tolerance for off-side decisions, including ball release frames. Select the frame when you think the ball is released but recognise accuracy is impossible, so go back two or three frames and if the result is onside in any frame, go with that. Give benefit of the doubt to the attacker, FFS, but do it consistently.
- Have a regular independent review of the VAR decision-making process, compare incidents and report on inconsistencies. Recommend improvements. Everyone can make mistakes, but if mistakes continue to be made without being recognised and acted on, then as @SebastianBlue says, it becomes corruption (of the process, if not monetary) by definition. The process now is so opaque, it lends itself to allegations of corruption, favouritism, bias or manipulating outcomes. It’s so fucking stupid.
LolWe didn’t see mistakes yesterday, we saw very deliberate influence from the VAR to change decisions and the outcome of games.
Stop giving them the benefit of the doubt here. It’s not human error, it’s out and out fucking cheating.
Could you tell us why they were corrupt, rather than inept decisions?Looking forward to the outrageously wrong VAR (non)decision from the games today (given the average frequency from yesterday’s games was 1 for every 2 games played) and how advocates of the current implementation of VAR will defend it as merely another instance of “incompetence”.
Lol
I‘ll ask again, as you didn’t answer yesterday,
For reference, When was the last thing that happened in football that you didn’t think was corrupt?
I assume you must believe that 93:20 was totally corrupt.
So, what are you suggesting?It's fucking up on a weekly basis and leading to more dissolution than ever before so whilst you're obviously looking for an answer to your leading question you won't get one from me. Everyone at some point is getting fucked over by it.
Not really. It offers little solution and makes me question why you bother watching.I’m saying cheating by certain officials has been around forever and a day.
It’s well documented.
The inception of the PL, it’s thirst for money, it’s relationship with PiGMOB and it’s relationship with Sky who almost invented their own big 4 has brought it to a whole new level and VAR, is now seen as a great little tool in their armoury to change certain decisions for certain teams and to influence results as and when required.
Does that help?