How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

They are either lying about A16 or they honestly don't know what it actually does. So much internationally is tied in to the existence of the WA - if they fuck it up then thats suicidal

 
bluethrunthru said:
They are either lying about A16 or they honestly don't know what it actually does. So much internationally is tied in to the existence of the WA - if they fuck it up then thats suicidal

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Glint of bayonets pointing at our own throats?
 
Vic said:
Glint of bayonets pointing at our own throats?
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Thats about it - they can't understand why every time we threaten to shoot ourselves in the foot if they don't do as we tell them they just shrug and walk away with their shoulders moving up and down with suppressed laughter
 
joe123 said:
Apologies if I've taken the first sentence here out of context...
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Apology accepted ;) I was merely saying the pound being on its arse isn’t driven Brexit, it’s probably between 5-7 cents against the dollar worse off due to Brexit. Both the euro and GBP have given up huge value to the greenback, Euro around 30% and GBP around 33% since Brexit vote. Looking at the indicators you could reasonably conclude the market sees Brexit as having around a 3-4% drag on the UK economy - the problem is with all the noise (covid, inflation, ECB reluctance to raise rates, etc) it’s hard to say if that’s right or not - could be better or worse.

What we can say with confidence is our debt pile is getting eye watering, market confidence in our strategy to pay it down and ability to service our obligations is the most pressing thing to figure out - Brexit is the least of our problems.
 
metalblue said:
Apology accepted ;) I was merely saying the pound being on its arse isn’t driven Brexit, it’s probably between 5-7 cents against the dollar worse off due to Brexit. Both the euro and GBP have given up huge value to the greenback, Euro around 30% and GBP around 33% since Brexit vote. Looking at the indicators you could reasonably conclude the market sees Brexit as having around a 3-4% drag on the UK economy - the problem is with all the noise (covid, inflation, ECB reluctance to raise rates, etc) it’s hard to say if that’s right or not - could be better or worse.

What we can say with confidence is our debt pile is getting eye watering, market confidence in our strategy to pay it down and ability to service our obligations is the most pressing thing to figure out - Brexit is the least of our problems.
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There’s a fair chance that an EU that included the U.K. would be stronger than two separate entities against the dollar even though we were never in the Euro.

Brexit might be the least of our problems today but it’s our biggest problem for the long term, especially if we continue to follow the current policies of this government.
 
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west didsblue said:
There’s a fair chance that an EU that included the U.K. would be stronger than two separate entities against the dollar even though we were never in the Euro.

Brexit might be the least of our problems today but it’s our biggest problem for the long term, especially if we continue to follow the current policies of this government.
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It’s certainly not unreasonable to suggest that Brexit has damaged trade on both sides.

Your last paragraph is one the money. If we keep going the way we are we will be in the toilet irrespective of Brexit.
 
bluethrunthru said:
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Witnessed similar, but significantly longer, when navigating Schiphol recently. One would have expected 51.89% of the people in the queue to be smiling broadly or at least casting an air of insouciance, but that didn’t seem to be the case. It’s especially interesting to observe people getting hotter and hotter under the collar when the customs official takes an apparent eternity to question the family ahead from, say. Sierra Leone, as if British travellers have some right not to be there and instead to be waived through quickly. Some people just haven’t fully grasped what ‘third country status’ really means.
 
Gabriel said:
Witnessed similar, but significantly longer, when navigating Schiphol recently. One would have expected 51.89% of the people in the queue to be smiling broadly or at least casting an air of insouciance, but that didn’t seem to be the case. It’s especially interesting to observe people getting hotter and hotter under the collar when the customs official takes an apparent eternity to question the family ahead from, say. Sierra Leone, as if British travellers have some right not to be there and instead to be waived through quickly. Some people just haven’t fully grasped what ‘third country status’ really means.
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Similar in Madrid for the Atletico game in April. Queued for nearly two hours at passport control at two or three non EU desks along with a planeload of Americans and various other nationalities. Some old fool was loudly saying that it proved we were right to leave because they’re treating us like shit as punishment, without realising that we’re being treated exactly the same as all the other non-EU countries which is exactly what twats like him voted for. On the plus side my passport has loads of stamps in it that I wouldn’t have had previously. Brexit bonus!
 
west didsblue said:
Similar in Madrid for the Atletico game in April. Queued for nearly two hours at passport control at two or three non EU desks along with a planeload of Americans and various other nationalities. Some old fool was loudly saying that it proved we were right to leave because they’re treating us like shit as punishment, without realising that we’re being treated exactly the same as all the other non-EU countries which is exactly what twats like him voted for. On the plus side my passport has loads of stamps in it that I wouldn’t have had previously. Brexit bonus!
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You could get your passport stamped whilst we were in the EU - if you asked politely, some officials would stamp it for you.

it’s just that no-one knew; my brother-in-law told me about it - he used to ask each time he went abroad.
 
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jitsubluedan said:
You could get your passport stamped whilst we were in the EU - if you asked politely, some officials would stamp it for you.

it’s just that no-one knew; my brother-in-law told me about it - he used to ask each time he went abroad.
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I’m sure that’s the case. However the benefit of getting a stamp in my passport doesn’t outweigh the benefit of getting past passport control 20 seconds quicker, and certainly doesn’t outweigh the benefit of not having to queue for hours in some cases.
 
west didsblue said:
I’m sure that’s the case. However the benefit of getting a stamp in my passport doesn’t outweigh the benefit of getting past passport control 20 seconds quicker, and certainly doesn’t outweigh the benefit of not having to queue for hours in some cases.
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I entirely agree; was just pointing out that the chance to get your passport stamped was always there - but most people didn’t realise.
 
jitsubluedan said:
You could get your passport stamped whilst we were in the EU - if you asked politely, some officials would stamp it for you.

it’s just that no-one knew; my brother-in-law told me about it - he used to ask each time he went abroad.
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I'd prefer to be off the plane and through the electronic barriers and out the airport in 10 minutes. Rather than queue and be treated like the third country rules that our beloved government agreed to after the country voted for SoVrUnTeE.

But that's just me.
 
mat said:
I'd prefer to be off the plane and through the electronic barriers and out the airport in 10 minutes. Rather than queue and be treated like the third country rules that our beloved government agreed to after the country voted for SoVrUnTeE.

But that's just me.
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As per my response to West Didsblue - I agree; I voted remain!
 
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Dad if you could change anything to make life better what would it be?

Queuing son

Really? That's the limit of your imagination. The pinnacle of your dreams?

Yes my life is really that empty.
 
hilts said:
Dad if you could change anything to make life better what would it be?

Queuing son

Really? That's the limit of your imagination. The pinnacle of your dreams?

Yes my life is really that empty.
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I dont like queuing. It's the limit of my imagination.
But I will queue to appease our European counterparts if it makes them content.
 
hilts said:
Dad if you could change anything to make life better what would it be?

Queuing son

Really? That's the limit of your imagination. The pinnacle of your dreams?

Yes my life is really that empty.
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Probably one for the other thread but all those folk marvelling and saying how great it is that so many people are queuing to see the Queens coffin have spent their entire lives turning a corner and saying " oh shit have you seen the size of the queue? " I am not a leaver of games early but those that do are doing it for a reason - and its not to make sure they are at the head of a queue - its to avoid one lol
 
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