Shamima Begum

[RiversideBlue]

Fuck her....who cares.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You conflate upholding the rule of law with being a leftie

Do you believe in upholding the rule of law - and if so are you a leftie?

I always thought left-handed people were sinister and evil, not rule following do-gooders.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Fuck her....who cares.

Are you a missionary?

 

[crublue1]

How can you possibly know that?

There are a wide number of defences in law that could be available to her. Presumably you’ve considered them all carefully, but assuming you have, how can you possibly evaluate any or all of them if you haven’t heard the evidence in a court of law?

Or are you basing this view on what you’ve seen on the news?

Well considering she's admitted to it, I'm pretty certain she's guilty.
You may be an educated man, but in this instance I'd say you're playing devil's advocate.
If you feel so strongly about a terrorists rights to justice, why don't you sponsor her, give her a roof over her head, and represent her in court free of charge?
I'd rather not see a penny of my taxes wasted on her, if that's OK with you.

 

[Looby blue]

I would.

As long as she hasn't been infected with the lurgy in that Syrian hell pit.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Well considering she's admitted to it, I'm pretty certain she's guilty.
You may be an educated man, but in this instance I'd say you're playing devil's advocate.
If you feel so strongly about a terrorists rights to justice, why don't you sponsor her, give her a roof over her head, and represent her in court free of charge?
I'd rather not see a penny of my taxes wasted on her, if that's OK with you.

Nonsensical argument.

Why bother trying a murderer if they admit it?

 

[crublue1]

Nonsensical argument.

Why bother trying a murderer if they admit it?

It's not an argument. It's a discussion.
And there is absolutely no need to trial her at our expense

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It's not an argument. It's a discussion.

If someone is guilty of a crime, what happens to them?

 

[crublue1]

If someone is guilty of a crime, what happens to them?

They get punishment.
What's your point?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

They get punishment.
What's your point?

They are either found guilty at a trial or plead guilty when asked.

She has done neither of those things.

Would you say she was of sound mind?

 

[feedthegoat27]

It's not an argument. It's a discussion.
And there is absolutely no need to trial her at our expense

Can be tough to discuss things like justice and rule of law with Mail reading Farage types, who seem to want to cherry pick which laws and processes apply to which people.

 

[crublue1]

They are either found guilty at a trial or plead guilty when asked.

She has done neither of those things.

Would you say she was of sound mind?

I don't know the lady

 

[crublue1]

Can be tough to discuss things like justice and rule of law with Mail reading Farage types, who seem to want to cherry pick which laws and processes apply to which people.

I neither read the mail or support farage (not saying you accused me of either)
But it seems to me that dragging this woman through the courts and putting her in prison would be a bit pointless, and costly.

 

[feedthegoat27]

I neither read the mail or support farage (not saying you accused me of either)
But it seems to me that dragging this woman through the courts and putting her in prison would be a bit pointless, and costly.

Regardless of cost and likely guilt, isn't everyone entitled to a fair trial?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I don't know the lady

It seems you don’t qualify as her executioner.

She’s not had a trial.

How would you feel the next time you’re on holiday that Braverman revoked your citizenship without a trial? Would you be happy about that, given you can’t appeal that decision?

 

[crublue1]

Regardless of cost and likely guilt, isn't everyone entitled to a fair trial?

Yes they are, you're correct.
If you're happy to pay a part in funding it that's fine by me fella.
Perhaps you could start one of those go fund me things, to support her.
I, however, would prefer the government not to waste a single penny on a known terrorist sympathiser.

 

[Allnightlong]

Can be tough to discuss things like justice and rule of law with Mail reading Farage types, who seem to want to cherry pick which laws and processes apply to which people.

Why are you assuming it’s Daily Mail and Farage types? Does Every left leaning person in agreement that she should come back to the Uk?
This is not political to me.
It’s down to a woman who decided to go and fight/support Isis against coalition forces. She joined a terrorist organisation and only wants to come back as the utopia she hoped for came crashing down.
She has been stripped of citizenship as the security forces and decision makers deem her a security threat. I feel they know slot more than us.
She can’t go to Bangladesh as they stated that they will hang her, we are her only option.

It seems you don’t qualify as her executioner.

She’s not had a trial.

How would you feel the next time you’re on holiday that Braverman revoked your citizenship without a trial? Would you be happy about that, given you can’t appeal that decision?

she didn’t exactly go on holiday

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

she didn’t exactly go on holiday

irrelevant. The precedent is set. Your citizenship has been revoked. No you can’t appeal because we’ve decided you are too dangerous to repatriate.

Bye.

 

[crublue1]

It seems you don’t qualify as her executioner.

She’s not had a trial.

How would you feel the next time you’re on holiday that Braverman revoked your citizenship without a trial? Would you be happy about that, given you can’t appeal that decision?

Oh she went on holiday? I didn't realise, sorry.
I thought she went and joined isis, how silly of me

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Oh she went on holiday? I didn't realise, sorry.
I thought she went and joined isis, how silly of me

irrelevant. The precedent is set. Your citizenship has been revoked. No you can’t appeal because we’ve decided you are too dangerous to repatriate.

Bye.