Arsenal Thread - 2022/23

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I think folk seem to be debating with themselves in here. As far as I can see no-one is really arguing about how much both team have or haven't spent?

Edit: Until I was pipped with the previous post.
 
GunnerGer said:
I think folk seem to be debating with themselves in here. As far as I can see no-one is really arguing about how much both team have or haven't spent?

Edit: Until I was pipped with the previous post.
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Am not bothered how much any team spend but seems the media and certain clubs do want to mention it especially two faced wnaker Klopp
 
Goone0304 said:
Gross spend is what matters. Not net spend
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Is it fuck. People are moaning and ffp is in place for net spend, that is clearly more relevant. Arsenal dick in a City forum, lecturing City fans about spending lol. Why are you even in here, starting to get nervous? Horrible club, although to be fair only joint third with spurs, behind liverpool and united.

PS I hope you don’t work in business, your concept of expenditure matters but income doesn’t is a strange one
 
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GunnerGer said:
I think folk seem to be debating with themselves in here. As far as I can see no-one is really arguing about how much both team have or haven't spent?

Edit: Until I was pipped with the previous post.
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To be fair to people on here, we are all a little sensitive to cost comparisons after a decade of abuse for not being the best on a net basis, only to be told, when we suddenly are, that gross spend is the way to do it.
 
halfcenturyup said:
To be fair to people on here, we are all a little sensitive to cost comparisons after a decade of abuse for not being the best on a net basis, only to be told, when we suddenly are, that gross spend is the way to do it.
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Yeah, can understand that. I think when teams take spending up a level there's a lot of jealousy from other clubs and everyone is right, a good deal of hypocrisy is often involved. From Jack Walker, Roman, Abu Dhabi's, the Saudis etc there's always been sniping and jealousy.
Boehly now seems to be taking it onto another level again.

The hypocrisy now is that all the top clubs are owned by billionaires, it's just how that particular billionaire choose to spend that wealth that differs.

I do still think it's better to have some form of FFP, just to protect clubs from being at the mercy of owners if anything goes wrong if nothing else, although on what form I don't know.
 
Discrepancies in a matter of clubs economy looks like a small misunderstanding. Both clubs made good job simply. Hard to argue, that we ve been invested into massively, but the point is we done very well with it (unlike many others). As many saying within industry - City is a benchmark (Perez, Tuchel for instance), we are quite literally on a diapason as a club (last Ballon d'or award), fighting at a sporting level for everything and we always there in a terms of a current very best teams in the world list. Some, including me, would say, that we are the best team in the world for last 2/3 seasons from purely football pitch perspective. Nothing has changed hear and we are on our way during next campaigne. We have similar PL point tally to previous seasons, we are in UCL knockouts with proper prospects on quartel finals, sometimes had really spectacular, exceptional football (would love a bit more of this, because actually its hard to recall upon this cathegory other game than against ManUtd this season regarding top opposition).

Arsenal works well, they also have invested, made transfers, there is no another way nowadays. Earlier they had different model, at the end its usually shall be a mix of various priorities (for instance: young, perspective players, but sometimes you need to find examined quality, like Jesus, Zinchenko and you need not hesitate to take this step). Sporting project is evidently on track, but we see how it works at this level, things can change very quickly, Liverpool, Chelsea are more than aware. I would not deprive Arsenal from insight, that they spent less over last 10 years, has generally less valuated players, but are at the top of the table. Its an achievement, does not mean one club is better than the other, at the moment still those clubs operate for different targets.
 
GunnerGer said:
Yeah, can understand that. I think when teams take spending up a level there's a lot of jealousy from other clubs and everyone is right, a good deal of hypocrisy is often involved. From Jack Walker, Roman, Abu Dhabi's, the Saudis etc there's always been sniping and jealousy.
Boehly now seems to be taking it onto another level again.

The hypocrisy now is that all the top clubs are owned by billionaires, it's just how that particular billionaire choose to spend that wealth that differs.

I do still think it's better to have some form of FFP, just to protect clubs from being at the mercy of owners if anything goes wrong if nothing else, although on what form I don't know.
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And that’s all it ever is. Jealousy
 
wattle said:
What a pathetic comment. Explain
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Because hypothetically if you spend a billion in year 1-5, then you can use the existing squad base to sell and net incomings with outgoings in the forthcoming years. Then you can claim a 0 net spend despite sitting on a billion pounds squad.
 
Goone0304 said:
Because hypothetically if you spend a billion in year 1-5, then you can use the existing squad base to sell and net incomings with outgoings in the forthcoming years. Then you can claim a 0 net spend despite sitting on a billion pounds squad.
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Hypothetically. Would you rather Arsenal had owners who spent their own money on players to improve the team or owners that put it in their own bank accounts despite the wailing and nashing of teeth from the teams supporters.
 
Goone0304 said:
Wenger shopped in the bargain basement at Arsenal. Anelka, Vieira, Pires, Henry were all signed for modest fees. In many ways buying Anelka for 500k and selling for 20m literally bought the club a new training ground. Plus it was Ferguson and Man United always breaking transfer records. Wenger was notorious for being tight and not wanting to spend. Cesc, RVP, Adebayor purchased for 4m combined, sold for 75m. Anelka bought for 500k, sold for 20m in 1999. The amount of times he sold players for multiples of 10-20 times what he paid is a long list.

Its also incredible how you try to portray Pep as this down on his luck up against the odds manager who need to use all his intellect to overcome the 'odds'. The odds are always in Pep's favour. Your squad is jacked with individuals who cost 50m plus. Pep's always had the rolly royce jobs. Inheriting the Barcelona team than won the CL a few years prior with Rijkaard, then to Bayern were its probably more difficult to come 2nd than 1st. And yes the modern premier league is competitive, but you still have the edge over the rest, bar United.

Top manager. But lets face it, he has never known adversity of budget restraints, the set backs of players getting cherry picked, having to sell to buy ect. He has never had a conversation that goes like this. Pep "I want to buy this player" Chairmen: "Sorry Pep, we dont have the resources" City are 'packed' with players costing £50m or more.
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City are not 'packed' with players costing £50m or more.
There are a handful definitely, but 'packed'?
Now if you meant players worth over £50m, then I would agree.
 
Goone0304 said:
Were ahead of schedule in our development. We are still a very young team with more room for improvement. We will get better organically as Saka, Saliba, Martinelli, Odegaard, ect continue to level up, as well as future signings. However because we are ahead of schedule in the rebuild, some Arsenal fans still say things like 'happy with top 4', and thats great and all, but that cant be the mentality of the club and manager. And based on Arteta's behavior, it isnt.

Where will 'playing nice' get us? I fully support Arteta's antics as his behavior is indicative of a manager who not only doesn't likes to lose, but doesn't like to not win.

The fact Arteta is getting all this negative press is evidence he and Arsenal are being taken more seriously. I still remember the later Wenger years, where he lost his competitive edge - can you split Wengers tenure at Arsenal from 97-08 to 08-18, with the later years being an era were rival managers praised him but never took him seriously as a threat. In the early era he and Ferguson hated each other with a passion.

Arteta is building a new Arsenal. One that cant/wont be pushed over, an Arsenal that aims to fear no one, and for this reason Arteta is going to clash with rival managers a lot more.
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Deluded, you’ll be back in your box in a couple of years, demoralised and empty, all clubs have fickle fans but yours take that particular trophy.
 
GunnerGer said:
Yeah, can understand that. I think when teams take spending up a level there's a lot of jealousy from other clubs and everyone is right, a good deal of hypocrisy is often involved. From Jack Walker, Roman, Abu Dhabi's, the Saudis etc there's always been sniping and jealousy.
Boehly now seems to be taking it onto another level again.

The hypocrisy now is that all the top clubs are owned by billionaires, it's just how that particular billionaire choose to spend that wealth that differs.

I do still think it's better to have some form of FFP, just to protect clubs from being at the mercy of owners if anything goes wrong if nothing else, although on what form I don't know.
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The concept of FFP is fine but it has been abused by certain clubs. You can't take FFP seriously when clubs like Barca, Real, MUFC, and Juventus build up billions of pounds of debt which their owners never pay back. The whole foundation of MUFC is built on huge loans from US banks but the money owed has not been reduced in ten years.
The press say United's wealth is "organic growth" but there is absolutely nothing organic about their business model. The Glazers have invested nothing in the infrastructure or the local community. They don't even pay any taxes in the UK and hide their wealth in the Cayman Islands. But apparently they are the "good guys." It is absurd.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
The concept of FFP is fine but it has been abused by certain clubs. You can't take FFP seriously when clubs like Barca, Real, MUFC, and Juventus build up billions of pounds of debt which their owners never pay back. The whole foundation of MUFC is built on huge loans from US banks but the money owed has not been reduced in ten years.
The press say United's wealth is "organic growth" but there is absolutely nothing organic about their business model. The Glazers have invested nothing in the infrastructure or the local community. They don't even pay any taxes in the UK and hide their wealth in the Cayman Islands. But apparently they are the "good guys." It is absurd.
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To be fair, those arguing about organic growth do tend to mean no owner investment.

It’s just a ridiculous concept that football itself (and those clubs that bang on about organic growth) made impossible for anyone else to follow if they wanted to be successful.
 
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