The worst thing about farcical officiating

[hammocity]

Hehe.. exactly.. And the Broadcast delay for televised games...

The betting companies are in front of the TV games but you won’t be able to get a bet on within 30 seconds of an on field decision either for or against you. It’s not like “spot” betting in Asia, it’s a very small percentage of betting turnover, there’s nothing in it for Premier League players to cheat. Any irregularities in betting would be easily seen, Bookmakers are risk assessors of the highest order, their algorithms and data are up there with the most sophisticated systems used within business. There’s no bookmaking cheating at Premier League level, guaranteed.

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

It doesn't work like that. It is an instiutional bias towards the cash cow clubs. The refs are scared of upsetting them because it could damage their careers. It is subtle and it is peer group pressure. PGMOL are clients of the PL and would go out of business without their support. The broadcasters and PL chiefs want United to do well for commercial reasons. There are lots of quite private conversations which make it clear to PGMOl not to upset the applecart. It is not about cash in brown envelopes, nor is it some sort of grand conspiracy. This sort of "old pals act" or "jobs for the boys" philosophy is rife in all aspects of British life...not just football.

Nail on head. Well said.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

The most farcical thing about yesterday is that it proved that all the tinkering around the edges, changes of emphasis and worked examples that have been introduced as part of the interpretation of Rule 11 have actually made it worse.

'Offside' is about a player gaining an advantage. Rashford was able to protect the ball and therefore gained an advantage. Someone's toe being offside is not gaining an advantage. Someone coming back from an offside position and playing a ball when they're no longer offside is not (in my view) gaining an advantage.

Even with VAR, there should be two considerations. Is the attacking player gaining an advantage? Has the official made a clear error? If the answers are 'Yes' and 'No' respectively, then it's offside. If the answer to the first is 'No' then it's not offside.

Sorry PB but MUFC have issues with your post.

 

[The blue phantom]

The betting companies are in front of the TV games but you won’t be able to get a bet on within 30 seconds of an on field decision either for or against you. It’s not like “spot” betting in Asia, it’s a very small percentage of betting turnover, there’s nothing in it for Premier League players to cheat. Any irregularities in betting would be easily seen, Bookmakers are risk assessors of the highest order, their algorithms and data are up there with the most sophisticated systems used within business. There’s no bookmaking cheating at Premier League level, guaranteed.

This is true, I back/lay on most days on the exchanges and a good friend of mine is an odds compiler for Corals too. Even if £100 worth of bets were rushed on for a Pacific Market, Throw ins, time of Yellow card, etc etc It would be picked up within seconds and looked into.

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

The betting companies are in front of the TV games but you won’t be able to get a bet on within 30 seconds of an on field decision either for or against you. It’s not like “spot” betting in Asia, it’s a very small percentage of betting turnover, there’s nothing in it for Premier League players to cheat. Any irregularities in betting would be easily seen, Bookmakers are risk assessors of the highest order, their algorithms and data are up there with the most sophisticated systems used within business. There’s no bookmaking cheating at Premier League level, guaranteed.

I agree with this. It’s too small time. If the corrupt people are in charge you have no need to bet on the outcome. The lower down the leagues you go though, it comes into play. But as you say, not in too large amounts as it attracts irregular betting patterns scrutiny.

The corruption is on mega sponsorship deals and cash for votes for tournaments etc. Referee’s have certainly received some expensive presents / holidays though. Also plenty of reports of Barcelona “envoys” wanting to pay UEFA to investigate our finances….again.

Match fix betting is for small time crooks who usually get caught. The real crooks don’t need to bother with it.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

The betting companies are in front of the TV games but you won’t be able to get a bet on within 30 seconds of an on field decision either for or against you. It’s not like “spot” betting in Asia, it’s a very small percentage of betting turnover, there’s nothing in it for Premier League players to cheat. Any irregularities in betting would be easily seen, Bookmakers are risk assessors of the highest order, their algorithms and data are up there with the most sophisticated systems used within business. There’s no bookmaking cheating at Premier League level, guaranteed.

Perhaps no 'direct' cheating by the legitimate betting companies, but you are forgetting the unregulated markets who bet HEAVILY on the PL.

 

[hammocity]

This is true, I back/lay on most days on the exchanges and a good friend of mine is an odds compiler for Corals too. Even if £100 worth of bets were rushed on for a Pacific Market, Throw ins, time of Yellow card, etc etc It would be picked up within seconds and looked into.

You are so correct, I used to work for William Hill back in the 80’s, the methods used then were rudimentary but worked. As an example if a punter wanted a tenner on the winner of Miss World at over 10/1 it would be “notified” to the Regional HO, if the same bet was repeated in other local shops it would be picked up and betting suspended even though the liability may have been less than a grand. There were different guidance for all events. Now, with EPOS data these bets are easily analysed and appropriate action taken.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

It's like the old Two Ronnie's Sketch about Upper Class and Middle Class

Last season VAR didn't find enough evidence to reverse the non penalty for Rodri's alleged hand ball at Goodison Park.
If that had been a Bournemouth player at Goodison it would have been reversed.
Similarly if City had been playing at Anfield or Old Trafford it would have been awarded in the first place.

 

[Tubes26]

The betting companies are in front of the TV games but you won’t be able to get a bet on within 30 seconds of an on field decision either for or against you. It’s not like “spot” betting in Asia, it’s a very small percentage of betting turnover, there’s nothing in it for Premier League players to cheat. Any irregularities in betting would be easily seen, Bookmakers are risk assessors of the highest order, their algorithms and data are up there with the most sophisticated systems used within business. There’s no bookmaking cheating at Premier League level, guaranteed.

I'm not talking about people frauding the bookmakers... It's the other way around... It's the bookmakers in on the fraud because they have big incentive to be.. It's just another way they always win.. And anyway, there are lots of ways and places to bet.. We're talking 100's of billions money... just because you as a punter couldn't get away with something doesn't mean no-one else does.

I don't know what you think of the Leicester season.. But hypothetical assume it was a fix.. in that situation you don't think anyone within football profited from that somehow through gambling? Slating the club and Ranieri all summer while they lump on somewhere.. get real.

Anyway, if there was a broadcaster and bookmaker in collusion... If things went really against the plan they'd just cut the match feed and try and limit the damage. I can think of three high level matches where I think this happened.. Two on ITV digital and one on BT Sports...

The possibilities for manipulation within the game are endless... doesn't have to be Richard Keys with the ladbrokes app on his phone???

 

[Ashleymcduff]

If akanji had pulled rashford down who hasn’t touched the ball and got a red card the decision would of been over turned for off side..

So the notion he wasn’t interfering it bent as it can be

 

[hammocity]

Perhaps no 'direct' cheating by the legitimate betting companies, but you are forgetting the unregulated markets who bet HEAVILY on the PL.

But, what’s in it for the “unregulated” bookmakers? Even the mug punters with the odd few small bets would soon smell a rat and the Bookmakers themselves are hardly likely to continue taking winning bets from those “ITK”. You post some good comments on here but I think you should let go of the bent Premier League betting issues. As someone who worked in the Gambling industry for 30 years I can assure you there’s very little chance of any irregularities going on in England’s top flight (and most other leagues in the UK) football.

 

[give it to gordon]

Two words: 'Sky Bet' ;-)

I have offered wondered how a company that is paying to show premier league games. The same company that relies on people subscribing so wanting the most supported teams to do well. Also owns a betting company. Conflict of interest ?

 

[Tubes26]

If akanji had pulled rashford down who hasn’t touched the ball and got a red card the decision would of been over turned for off side..

So the notion he wasn’t interfering it bent as it can be

No, the red card would stand under the current rules.. Rashford would have to play it before being fouled..

 

[hammocity]

I'm not talking about people frauding the bookmakers... It's the other way around... It's the bookmakers in on the fraud because they have big incentive to be.. It's just another way they always win.. And anyway, there are lots of ways and places to bet.. We're talking 100's of billions money... just because you as a punter couldn't get away with something doesn't mean no-one else does.

I don't know what you think of the Leicester season.. But hypothetical assume it was a fix.. in that situation you don't think anyone within football profited from that somehow through gambling? Slating the club and Ranieri all summer while they lump on somewhere.. get real.

Anyway, if there was a broadcaster and bookmaker in collusion... If things went really against the plan they'd just cut the match feed and try and limit the damage. I can think of three high level matches where I think this happened.. Two on ITV digital and one on BT Sports...

The possibilities for manipulation within the game are endless... doesn't have to be Richard Keys with the ladbrokes app on his phone???

This is absolute bollocks, you haven’t got a clue, no inside knowledge, just subjective speculation. I’m not falling out with you and I don’t want to appear rude but let me know what evidence you have.

 

[hammocity]

I have offered wondered how a company that is paying to show premier league games. The same company that relies on people subscribing so wanting the most supported teams to do well. Also owns a betting company. Conflict of interest ?

Skybet isn’t owned by Sky.

 

[give it to gordon]

Skybet isn’t owned by Sky.

Oh !

 

[Grassland Blue]

the thing is in sport nobody should be winning with help like Cheating from the officials, 20 teams should be equal and earn the right to be champions, Pep has said many times we don't get help when we win, it's the best feeling beating the system as well as being the champions,

100% correct mate.
If I wanted an easy ride I'd have followed one of the sky 4.
Good luck to the unassisted real clubs too.

 

[Tubes26]

This is absolute bollocks, you haven’t got a clue, no inside knowledge, just subjective speculation. I’m not falling out with you and I don’t want to appear rude but let me know what evidence you have.

No you're cool I don't mind what you say, that's fine... I do have speculation yeah, have I said it's something else...?

I respect you're knowledge, but saying no-one in the PL has any incentive to cheat... not really credible.. Saying it doesn't happen is one thing.. but saying they have no incentive is wrong.

I'm not sure if you're saying I have no inside knowledge because you thought I was claiming to..? Or?

What is it you want evidence for? What was a claim I made?

 

[vicblueman]

Would the goal of been disallowed if it was us who had scored it at the swamp ?
To right it would of been !

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I have offered wondered how a company that is paying to show premier league games. The same company that relies on people subscribing so wanting the most supported teams to do well. Also owns a betting company. Conflict of interest ?

That's the issue. It's an OBVIOUS conflict of interest.

Let's say Sky pundits spend all week praising team X and saying they have EVERY chance of beating team Y at the weekend, and then Sky Bet offer decent odds that everyone lumps on and the EXACT opposite happens.

It puts Sky employees on a position to be able to influence betting.