Corruption in English football?

i dont believe that we believe that every decision against us is corruption, but Saturday was more than a refeering mistake imo.
LOL. You are absolutely barking up the conspiracy theory tree in that you (apparently) think that this mistake was due to corruption. Where every mistake against City is due to corruption - and every mistake in favor is due to... human error?

Mistakes happen - get over it.

We failed to garner all 3 points because we didn't play well - we lost a point (tie versus loss) due to referring error - which at the end of the season will likely balance out.
 
Ok, just a referring mistake then.
Look - if you claim that it's corruption - a big big claim - then you need big big proof. Otherwise - shit happens. We need to deal with it.

This kind of shit decision happens all the time - to other teams as well as ours in roughly equal proportion.

VAR and other technologies are evolving - to eventually minimize/eliminate this kind of mistake.
 
Look - if you claim that it's corruption - a big big claim - then you need big big proof. Otherwise - shit happens. We need to deal with it.
have a look at other leagues...corruption happens. Ex refs have stated that they are told to change reports to suit narratives and that was quickly swept under the carpet.

I will leave it there.
 
Look - if you claim that it's corruption - a big big claim - then you need big big proof. Otherwise - shit happens. We need to deal with it.

This kind of shit decision happens all the time - to other teams as well as ours in roughly equal proportion.

VAR and other technologies are evolving - to eventually minimize/eliminate this kind of mistake.
This is factually wrong.

This particular mistake has not happened all the time, to other teams. In fact, similar situations have almost universally resulted in the goal being disallowed (or the play being stopped dead well before the ball is in the back of the net).

Indeed, the reason it is so controversial, is that it is singular in its occurrence. And a similar goal is very unlikely to ever be given again, at least in the PL.
 
This is factually wrong.

This particular mistake has not happened all the time, to other teams. In fact, similar situations have almost universally resulted in the goal being disallowed (or the play being stopped dead well before the ball is in the back of the net).

Indeed, the reason it is so controversial, is that it is singular in its occurrence. And a similar goal is very unlikely to ever be given again, at least in the PL.
So...

No big referring mistake against any other side in the Prem other than CIty in the past few years? Is that your claim?

This? For example?
 
So...

No big referring mistake against any other side in the Prem other than CIty in the past few years? Is that your claim?

This? For example?
Where did I say that?

I think you have misread my reply.
 
LOL. You are absolutely barking up the conspiracy theory tree in that you (apparently) think that this mistake was due to corruption. Where every mistake against City is due to corruption - and every mistake in favor is due to... human error?

Mistakes happen - get over it.

We failed to garner all 3 points because we didn't play well - we lost a point (tie versus loss) due to referring error - which at the end of the season will likely balance out.

How would you describe the behaviour of thinking it would be detrimental to your career if you made a mistake that impacted United at home.

You have a new boss & he & the match commander have explained the spirit the game should be played & they are contrary to the LOTG.

You know that you can be given higher or lower profile games (higher earning potential) depending on the view of your performance.

It’s not all secret bank accounts & bulging envelopes of cash.
 
How would you describe the behaviour of thinking it would be detrimental to your career if you made a mistake that impacted United at home.

You have a new boss & he & the match commander have explained the spirit the game should be played & they are contrary to the LOTG.

You know that you can be given higher or lower profile games (higher earning potential) depending on the view of your performance.

It’s not all secret bank accounts & bulging envelopes of cash.
I would go further and say that at this level—and this applies to coercion and manipulation at higher levels across every type of industry (of which I have a decent amount of experience)—bank accounts and bulging envelopes are actually an infrequent method. They’re messy, too easily traced, and often the least effective means due to the wealth already held by most people involved.

And, anyway, most corruption is far more mundane and obtuse than is depicted in films and novels (from which most people form their concept of it). A lot of it starts with well-intentioned but ethically question decisions that escalate in to much more problematic (and unintentionally complex) schemes, capturing more and more people at various levels as it goes.

We all make “brown envelope jokes”—I certainly do—but I think most of us know it doesn’t actually work that way in the modern iteration of the game. Not even with the fairly obvious example of corruption with Qatar being awarded the World Cup. It is far more complex and opaque, which is one of the reasons it takes much longer (and requires more effort) to expose the schemes now.

If you ever want a good example of how something can go from a poor choice based on fear of fairly minor consequences by a few to a full on, freakishly complex, international fraud scandal with massive implications involving literally thousands upon thousands of people, look up the recent Wells Fargo accounts and services scandal.

The sort of corruption I believe is occurring is the kind that develops over many decades, through many disparate and unconnected (at least at first) decisions made to develop an enterprise and then maintained and enhance it. Often the people behind the most egregious examples of such schemes genuinely don’t even think what they were/are doing is wrong, such is the fragmented nature of the network of support for most corruption that exists at the level we are discussing (especially in well developed nations when the majority of it is not clear bribes and obviously illicit deals).

It’s also a bit of a myth that corruption is relatively non-existent in western nations compared to elsewhere. That is only true when when comparisons are based on:

1) only straightforward types of corruption (again, bribes, embezzlement, etc.) being considered, rather than more complex forms like regulatory, market, and general financial fraud and improper influence/intervention

2) corruption undertaken by western entities outside of their own borders is ignored (a large part of the corruption that occurs outside of western nations is initiated (and sustained) by western entities, governments and industry alike.

I think those that believe English football is somehow different from not only all other major football leagues, but also every other industry on earth, are being exceedingly naive.

Then again, I think one would need to have that belief to actually enjoy football, so I suppose there is a real purpose and benefit to that naïveté.

In some ways, I wish I could believe it, especially as I become less and less enamoured with football by the month.
 
If there's corruption going on within the Premier League to ensure United, Arsenal, and Liverpool constantly win the title then whoever is overseeing this alleged corruption has been doing a pretty shit job for a while now considering Arsenal haven't won the title for almost 20 years and United and Liverpool have only won it once each in the last decade. They must have been slacking last season when that 50/50 handball against Rodri at Everton wasn't given, or when Arsenal weren't given that 50/50 penalty at the Emirates when Ederson (probably) fouled Odegaard. Easy decisions to give if the corruption is as blatant as some in this thread believe it to be. They're also doing a shit job if the corruption is of a benevolent nature to ensure that the Premier League product is still considered exciting by foreign markets because everyone who doesn't support City reckons English football is becoming more and more like France and Germany, or Spain, where the same team (or same 2/3 teams) wins the league every season, and that City's four titles in five seasons is the main driver behind this line of thought.
 
If there's corruption going on within the Premier League to ensure United, Arsenal, and Liverpool constantly win the title then whoever is overseeing this alleged corruption has been doing a pretty shit job for a while now considering Arsenal haven't won the title for almost 20 years and United and Liverpool have only won it once each in the last decade. They must have been slacking last season when that 50/50 handball against Rodri at Everton wasn't given, or when Arsenal weren't given that 50/50 penalty at the Emirates when Ederson (probably) fouled Odegaard. Easy decisions to give if the corruption is as blatant as some in this thread believe it to be. They're also doing a shit job if the corruption is of a benevolent nature to ensure that the Premier League product is still considered exciting by foreign markets because everyone who doesn't support City reckons English football is becoming more and more like France and Germany, or Spain, where the same team (or same 2/3 teams) wins the league every season, and that City's four titles in five seasons is the main driver behind this line of thought.
I think what you have described explains to some extent an expanded mandate and scope for efforts to “protect the product” recently. I think there is definitely an argument to be made that they have done a shite job and I imagine you aren’t the only one making it.

And I would still argue that most involved wouldn’t even see their part in the efforts as corrupt. Some may not even believe them to be dubious. For many, as football at this level is ultimately an entertainment product, the sort of intervention we bemoan as corruption is just “securing and enhancing the value of the brand”.

See my post above about how most corruption actually develops and continues (versus the Hollywood depiction).

Even Bernie Madoff when he first began what would ultimately become a ponzi scheme didn’t intend to defraud investors.
 
If there's corruption going on within the Premier League to ensure United, Arsenal, and Liverpool constantly win the title then whoever is overseeing this alleged corruption has been doing a pretty shit job for a while now considering Arsenal haven't won the title for almost 20 years and United and Liverpool have only won it once each in the last decade. They must have been slacking last season when that 50/50 handball against Rodri at Everton wasn't given, or when Arsenal weren't given that 50/50 penalty at the Emirates when Ederson (probably) fouled Odegaard. Easy decisions to give if the corruption is as blatant as some in this thread believe it to be. They're also doing a shit job if the corruption is of a benevolent nature to ensure that the Premier League product is still considered exciting by foreign markets because everyone who doesn't support City reckons English football is becoming more and more like France and Germany, or Spain, where the same team (or same 2/3 teams) wins the league every season, and that City's four titles in five seasons is the main driver behind this line of thought.

Corruption with fifa wasn’t just about awarding Qatar the World Cup. That’s when it went too far.

The corruption was they’d understood the power of a group i.e Warner could galvanise the most votes. The collusion was corrupt, no one cared when he made tv deals for Trinidad but that didn’t make it any less corrupt.

It’s not always about being the winners of the league but it could be improving PR, satisfying customers, keeping it competitive.

The LOTG should be applied & yet when Liverpool & City met they were told by the ref he wasn’t going to apply the LOTG, he’s going to allow the advantage. Now is that at the request of the Match commander, after feedback from the TV. It’s not too different from what happened in Italy.

It can sound innocent but you are manipulating & could be considered corrupt.
 
Don't think it's corruption to favour the red tops as such. I think they are manipulating results to keep intrest alive and the dollars rolling in.
 
I will tell you what is corrupt. A broadcasting organisation that also has a betting arm and yet everyone talks about ridding the sport of gambling sponsors? If Lampard for instance gets the sack at Neverton the first thing Sky will do is show the odds for the next manager.

Your point still stands from the past but Sky TV now has no interest in Skybet. Is is owned by Flutter Entertainment, which came about after the merger of Betfair and Paddy Power.

Bet 365 could offer odds on the next Stoke manager though. Although I believe they don’t actually do it to avoid unwanted publicity.
 
Your point still stands from the past but Sky TV now has no interest in Skybet. Is is owned by Flutter Entertainment, which came about after the merger of Betfair and Paddy Power.

Bet 365 could offer odds on the next Stoke manager though. Although I believe they don’t actually do it to avoid unwanted publicity.
I stand corrected but it's still wrong.
 
LOL. You are absolutely barking up the conspiracy theory tree in that you (apparently) think that this mistake was due to corruption. Where every mistake against City is due to corruption - and every mistake in favor is due to... human error?

Mistakes happen - get over it.

We failed to garner all 3 points because we didn't play well - we lost a point (tie versus loss) due to referring error - which at the end of the season will likely balance out.
your last sentence is laughable .
 
It would certainly be a big story if Tottenham’s captain was accepting bribes to help Arsenal win the league. Is there any particular reason why you think that is likely?
Yeah he's a world cup winning goal keeper that regularly throws the ball in his own net. And it's not to help arsenal win the league it's 1 result
 

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