Chelsea Thread - 2022/23 | Pochettino confirmed as new manager

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They have a lot of forwards that should be sold this summer. Lukaku, Hudson Odoi, Broja, two out of Sterling/Pulisic/Ziyech, Aubameyang top of my head. In an ideal world it should bring some serious money but won't be easy especially considering how they're behaving in the market.
 
They have a lot of forwards that should be sold this summer. Lukaku, Hudson Odoi, Broja, two out of Sterling/Pulisic/Ziyech, Aubameyang top of my head. In an ideal world it should bring some serious money but won't be easy especially considering how they're behaving in the market.


Broja won’t be sold. He’s out with an ACL for the rest of the season and won’t return until the start of next season. Jury is out on CHO, but he hasn’t really pulled up any trees on loan but if he impresses Leverkusen enough, they might be willing to spend £20-30m on him. Auba can be let go £5m or less or just release him. He has no value.

That leaves Lukaku, Ziyech and Pulisic. I don’t think we’ll have any trouble finding buyers for the last two, probably £20-30m a piece. But Lukaku is going to be a problem.
 
Mourinho went to Chelsea for the first time he bought what was it 5/6 players for the equivalent now of 500m
Not even close

Paulo Ferrera £13.2m
Cech £7.1m
Robben £12m
Mateja Kezman £5.3m
Drogba £24m
Tiago £10m
Carvalho £19.24m
Morais Free Transfer
Jarosik £3m

Total: £94.8m on 9 players

9 players is a lot in one window, yes, but they were all reasonable prices. It doesn’t even begin to compare. Lukaku cost more than that on his own (only Chelsea would pay that much for him).

The way they were targeted was also different. Bought to do a job that needs doing, not bought cause the owner has a feeling in his stones, or to spite Arsenal in the case of Mudryk
 
You can’t get a good wack! You get a loan fee plus wages are usually paid by that team to depending how much! Say Sterling went on loan to Barcelona they’d pay a lone fee I’d say 12m and maybe half his wages so all in all they’ll get around 6m on there books! If they somehow loan or sell 6/8 players it will make a difference.. can’t wait for there accounts that not come out yet! There losses will be enormous probably around 200/250m after losses of 145m last year, but like been said all last owners accounts been wiped out it’s a fresh start accounting wise!
If Barça pay a £12m loan fee to get Sterling for one season, Xavi’s suddenly and unexpectedly gone off his rocker
 
Not even close

Paulo Ferrera £13.2m
Cech £7.1m
Robben £12m
Mateja Kezman £5.3m
Drogba £24m
Tiago £10m
Carvalho £19.24m
Morais Free Transfer
Jarosik £3m

Total: £94.8m on 9 players

9 players is a lot in one window, yes, but they were all reasonable prices. It doesn’t even begin to compare. Lukaku cost more than that on his own (only Chelsea would pay that much for him).

The way they were targeted was also different. Bought to do a job that needs doing, not bought cause the owner has a feeling in his stones, or to spite Arsenal in the case of Mudryk

Didn’t he buy Joe Cole swp and a lot more
 
Not even close

Paulo Ferrera £13.2m
Cech £7.1m
Robben £12m
Mateja Kezman £5.3m
Drogba £24m
Tiago £10m
Carvalho £19.24m
Morais Free Transfer
Jarosik £3m

Total: £94.8m on 9 players

9 players is a lot in one window, yes, but they were all reasonable prices. It doesn’t even begin to compare. Lukaku cost more than that on his own (only Chelsea would pay that much for him).

The way they were targeted was also different. Bought to do a job that needs doing, not bought cause the owner has a feeling in his stones, or to spite Arsenal in the case of Mudryk

Yeah but it's hardly comparable to spending in 2022 and 2023 when football inflation has literally exploded out of control. In general, £24m in 2004 would be around £40m in 2023 but when you factor in the genuinely out of control football market, it's hardly an apples to apples comparison.

If Marseille had a 25 year old Drogba right now, there's no way they'd sell him for £24m or even £40m. There's no chance Porto would sell us their best CB fresh off of winning the CL for just £20m (or £35m). Both of those players would be valued at least £70-100m each in the current market. Look at the difference in valuation between Robben and Mudryk in almost identical situations. Similar talents, similar age but one cost £12m and one cost £62 (rising to £88m).
 
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Broja won’t be sold. He’s out with an ACL for the rest of the season and won’t return until the start of next season. Jury is out on CHO, but he hasn’t really pulled up any trees on loan but if he impresses Leverkusen enough, they might be willing to spend £20-30m on him. Auba can be let go £5m or less or just release him. He has no value.

That leaves Lukaku, Ziyech and Pulisic. I don’t think we’ll have any trouble finding buyers for the last two, probably £20-30m a piece. But Lukaku is going to be a problem.
Yes agree, you'll probably raise enough to sign Felix on a permanent deal.
 
Yeah but it's hardly comparable to spending in 2022 and 2023 when football inflation has literally exploded out of control. In general, £24m in 2004 would be around £40m in 2023 but when you factor in the genuinely out of control football market, it's hardly an apples to apples comparison.

If Marseille had a 25 year old Drogba right now, there's no way they'd sell him for £24m or even £40m. There's no chance Porto would sell us their best CB fresh off of winning the CL for just £20m (or £35m). Both of those players would be valued at least £70-100m each in the current market. Look at the difference in valuation between Robben and Mudryk in almost identical situations. Similar talents, similar age but one cost £12m and one cost £62 (rising to £88m).
Except no one else was willing to pay that much for Mudryk, so it’s clearly not a result of the market without Boehly’s influence on the market. He was all set to go to the Emirates for £50-odd million without add-ons, and Arsenal couldn’t justify and/or afford £88m. Really even Arsenal’s fee was over the top given he’s a youngen done alright in a far lesser league, but it was a lot closer to market value than Chelsea’s.

They have overpaid for most of their signings and they’re well aware of it. David Datro Fofana’s fee made sense, none of the rest have bar one, ironically, Aubameyang, who at the time you could say could have gone for more, but was signed for a manager who got sacked days later and hasn’t had the best time since.

Are we saying Mudryk is worth two Haalands? Or worth Odegaard, Jesus and Martinelli put together?
 
Didn’t he buy Joe Cole swp and a lot more
Joe Cole was brought in by Ranieri the season before Mou arrived, and SWP was Mou’s second season, which was a more modest window and included Diarra for £1m!
 
Except no one else was willing to pay that much for Mudryk, so it’s clearly not a result of the market without Boehly’s influence on the market. He was all set to go to the Emirates for £50-odd million without add-ons, and Arsenal couldn’t justify and/or afford £88m. Really even Arsenal’s fee was over the top given he’s a youngen done alright in a far lesser league, but it was a lot closer to market value than Chelsea’s.

They have overpaid for most of their signings and they’re well aware of it. David Datro Fofana’s fee made sense, none of the rest have bar one, ironically, Aubameyang, who at the time you could say could have gone for more, but was signed for a manager who got sacked days later and hasn’t had the best time since.

Are we saying Mudryk is worth two Haalands? Or worth Odegaard, Jesus and Martinelli put together?

What? Arsenal put in a bid of the exact same value as Chelsea did for Mudryk, after Arsenal previously had a couple of more reasonable bid like £50m and £60 rejected. Their final bid was around the same as what we paid for him in the end.

No he's not but clearly City secured Haaland at an artificially low value. The release clause that Haaland's camp managed to get Dortmund to agree to ended up being wonderful for City but you guys were trying to get Kane for £100m the previous summer. Haaland in the current market, under normal circumstances, isn't going for £51m. He's more likely to be valued at triple that. Martinelli was signed as a literal teenager to Arsenal's development squad before they realised he was quite good. He's the equivalent of Chelsea signing Omari Hutchinson and then realising he can play for the first team.

I'm not saying there aren't good deals to be found, but just like you guys paying £100m for Grealish, United paying through the nose for Antony and Liverpool for Nunez, the market is the market and you more often than not have to overpay for popular players, especially if you're a rich club.

Anyway, this was all beside the point. Comparing 2004 prices to 2022 prices is kind of wild because you buy a whole new team filled with top talents with just £120m. These days £120m could get you max a couple of good players, maybe 4 but no genuine world class players.
 
What? Arsenal put in a bid of the exact same value as Chelsea did for Mudryk, after Arsenal previously had a couple of more reasonable bid like £50m and £60 rejected. Their final bid was around the same as what we paid for him in the end.

No he's not but clearly City secured Haaland at an artificially low value. The release clause that Haaland's camp managed to get Dortmund to agree to ended up being wonderful for City but you guys were trying to get Kane for £100m the previous summer. Haaland in the current market, under normal circumstances, isn't going for £51m. He's more likely to be valued at triple that. Martinelli was signed as a literal teenager to Arsenal's development squad before they realised he was quite good. He's the equivalent of Chelsea signing Omari Hutchinson and then realising he can play for the first team.

I'm not saying there aren't good deals to be found, but just like you guys paying £100m for Grealish, United paying through the nose for Antony and Liverpool for Nunez, the market is the market and you more often than not have to overpay for popular players, especially if you're a rich club.

Anyway, this was all beside the point. Comparing 2004 prices to 2022 prices is kind of wild because you buy a whole new team filled with top talents with just £120m. These days £120m could get you max a couple of good players, maybe 4 but no genuine world class players.
You always have to pay more for English players unfortunately, and I’m glad the Kane deal never happened. Yes, deals like Grealish, Antony or Nunez happen, but clubs don’t fill their entire windows with those kinda deals and they are rare. They’re also not a great idea even as infrequent as they are, and you can look at all those deals mentioned and see pitfalls.

You don’t have to compare to 2004, another comment suggested that thinking it would be in line and it was far from it, but pick out any season and do the same thing, Abramovic wasn’t doing what Boehly is even in recent seasons, there has been a shift.

The numbers are half of that shift and the lack of strategy hasn’t been addressed either
 
You always have to pay more for English players unfortunately, and I’m glad the Kane deal never happened. Yes, deals like Grealish, Antony or Nunez happen, but clubs don’t fill their entire windows with those kinda deals and they are rare. They’re also not a great idea even as infrequent as they are, and you can look at all those deals mentioned and see pitfalls.

You don’t have to compare to 2004, another comment suggested that thinking it would be in line and it was far from it, but pick out any season and do the same thing, Abramovic wasn’t doing what Boehly is even in recent seasons, there has been a shift.

The numbers are half of that shift and the lack of strategy hasn’t been addressed either

But Chelsea isn't filling the team with Mudryk kind of buys though.

These are the players signed under the Boehly ownership.

Sterling £50m
Koulibaly £30m
Cucurella £54m (this was the first genuine overpay).
Fofana £70m (also an overpay but less so considering he's seen as a top talent)
Badiashile £30m
Auba £11m
Felix £9m loan (overpay but not drastically - in fact if you extrapolate the 6 months to a 4 year deal, it's a fair fee)
Mudryk £62m (rising to £88m if we win the European cup and the title but yes still an overpay).
David Fofana £10m
Nkunku will end up costing around £55m.


That's 11 signings with 3 being an overpay, one borderline overpay and the rest being either potential bargains or just reasonable fees. People are acting like Chelsea have just gone out and signed nine £100m players when actually a lot of these fees are pretty reasonable, it just seems like a lot because there are many players signed.
 
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