PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

I think the quotes about a quick outcome say it all. The hateful eight want us gone…. They have grabbed at any possible charges, don’t give a shit about the facts, have no interest in a fair hearing….pretty much like UEFA and what a bunch of cunts they looked at CAS with their photocopied emails from Der Spiegel.
 
We need to refrain from the whataboutery, life is full of it and is ignored as and when required.

Don't bother wasting oxygen with people on Twitter or armchair fiscal experts.

When things are serious, people such as President Biden have to jump on a plane to Saudi and fist-bump the Crown Prince to beg for more oil.

Or Trump travels to Abu Dhabi and is told where to sit by Sheikh Mansour.

This is so much bigger than City if it comes to it.

If we think the UK is in trouble now, wait until Sunak picks up the blower and is told £50bn is being invested elsewhere.
without a doubt here tolmie. I honestly think the premier league have underestimated us and overstated themselves and the importance of people from abu dhabi to the uk unlike people like the glazers. This will be a big blow up in their own face if you ask me.
 
I think the quotes about a quick outcome say it all. The hateful eight want us gone…. They have grabbed at any possible charges, don’t give a shit about the facts, have no interest in a fair hearing….pretty much like UEFA and what a bunch of cunts they looked at CAS with their photocopied emails from Der Spiegel.

Everyone will want a quick outcome to be honest - There's a reason the right to a speedy trial is a basic human right!
 
What is painfully clear from this thread is that the vast majority have never had any dealings with the dibble, tax authorities, regulators etc and assume charges are equivalent to guilt
I’ve had dealings with all three, many times, spurious and vexatious allegations each time. I’ve run fucking rings around them every time when it came to a substantive hearing and I could calmly probe my innocence. These people aren’t really that bright and are as susceptible to bias and external pressure as anyone else
And I’m just a nobody from a shithole like Longsight. Imagine what someone like Khaldoon has access to?
For all those wet wipes who think just because we have been charged we must be guilty, I would suggest you don’t post on this thread again until you grow a bit of hair on your balls

I have a legal case with my ex employer where some of the accusations put to me in a public forum were factually incorrect. However, because of their bias & blind spots they never hesitated. I would respond with facts but never under estimate when someone starts out looking for bad practice (especially when under applied pressure) they will continue. They also showed contempt to the impacts this can have on others as the further they go in they are no longer impartial as they have to prove they are right to save face.
 
Arteta would be my guess he has the inside knowledge and motive.

I think that’s unfair. Arteta was only assistant coach and not at the pay grade to know confidential stuff implied by the charges. He was only at City from 2016 to 2019 and Pep would likely have known much more than him. Two things though. If you’re innocent of the charges then there would be nothing for someone to ‘grass’. Secondly, I doubt you’d be pointing the finger at Arteta if Arsenal were currently mid table.

Personally, I think the suggestion that there is some kind of ‘grass’ out there is nonsense.
 
We need to refrain from the whataboutery, life is full of it and is ignored as and when required.

Don't bother wasting oxygen with people on Twitter or armchair fiscal experts.

When things are serious, people such as President Biden have to jump on a plane to Saudi and fist-bump the Crown Prince to beg for more oil.

Or Trump travels to Abu Dhabi and is told where to sit by Sheikh Mansour.

This is so much bigger than City if it comes to it.

If we think the UK is in trouble now, wait until Sunak picks up the blower and is told £50bn is being invested elsewhere.
Is that really like to happen though? I'd love to see us wipe the floor with the PL and a large number of the clubs in it. But I see the arguements boiling into the political sphere in that way.

We just need to clear ourselves in court and sue the pants off them, or at least take everyone else down with us. We need to expose this whole debacle for what it is, a jealous and bitter response by a self entitled group. No getting off on any technicalities caused by political manoeuvrings.
 
I think they hope, rather than believe. I don’t think that’s going to happen.

While I’m apprehensive to say with absolute confidence that it won’t happen, it would be ludicrous to apply a sporting penalty like title stripping as punishment for a crime like financial mismanagement at the club level. The amount of collateral damage it would do to the careers and honours of individual players who have done nothing wrong would be untenable.

I get title stripping for offences of a sporting nature like corruption and doping because they are literally altering the outcomes of individual matches but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it for what amounts to board malpractice.
 
I'm back home now so can have a look at this shit in more detail but my understanding is that just because there isn't an explicit limitation, doesn't mean one can't be applied in law. The accepted limit in English law is six years so a court could potentially apply that in this case. That would possibly disqualify anything that happened prior to February 2017 therefore.

In the CAS case, I seem to remember that they looked at the whole of the latest financial year within that six year period, so that would include anything in and after the 2016/17 financial year.

We know who's pulling the PL's strings here. My suspicion about this case has always been that the PL want to escape with their honour satisfied without rocking the boat any more than necessary. That was the case with UEFA, who offered us a soft settlement which we refused.

Ao if this 'independent commission' were to say that all the events were time-barred, then the PL can say they tried and loads of mud sticks without any actual examination of the charges and evidence for and against. We would be forever tainted and that would probably suit our US-owned rivals even more than a six or seven figure fine.

With UEFA, we knew what the charges related to, courtesy of Der Spiegel, and it was easy to see how ridiculous they were. I said at the time that those emails were very selective and very much 'nudge, nudge, wink, wink'', casting aspersions without any real evidence. CAS comprehensively confirmed that view of course.

It's hard to say in this case as the charges seem quite extensive and appear to relate to matters not in the public domain. It could be we have done significant things wrong or it could be that they've picked up little things that are open to interpretation. It could be the difference between the equivalent of a major, deliberate attempt to defraud VAT and a simple misunderstanding about a VAT calculation on mileage claims. We'll find out in time I guess.

Not sure if it's already been pointed out but, unlike UEFA and CAS, there is no arbitration in the PL rules. So this could easily end up in court. We could yet see Pannick in the courts of London again.

The other thing that struck me was that this seems to be a replay of the events of 1904-1906, when the FA were determined to find something wrong at the nouveau riche, upstart club that had upset the Football League aristocracy like Aston Villa by nearly winning a League and FA Cup double in 1904, just ten years into its existence.

Billy Meredith spilled the beans on illegal payments to players and we got absolutely hammered, while other clubs doing exactly the same thing (i.e. pretty well all of them) were unaffected. I'm sure if the PL spent four years going through Liverpool's, united's Arsenal's and particularly Chelsea's books, they'd find something they didn't like. But we know they won't turn that stone over to see what crawls out.
There you go I said Meredith had plenty to answer for in an earlier post
Thanks for your interpretation PB
 
We need to refrain from the whataboutery, life is full of it and is ignored as and when required.

Don't bother wasting oxygen with people on Twitter or armchair fiscal experts.

When things are serious, people such as President Biden have to jump on a plane to Saudi and fist-bump the Crown Prince to beg for more oil.

Or Trump travels to Abu Dhabi and is told where to sit by Sheikh Mansour.

This is so much bigger than City if it comes to it.

If we think the UK is in trouble now, wait until Sunak picks up the blower and is told £50bn is being invested elsewhere.
Great words as ever but it would be good to know when all this shit will end.
It's very upsetting for be honest even though i trust the club
 
Why? If you remove city you have to remove their results no? are the PL going to go back over all those years and determine what would of been had city not been involved? Did we relegate teams? Would they be entitled to sue? What about lost revenue from CL spots? Cup loses etc? It’s a huge can of worms that they’ll not want to open trust me. If it was given to Liverpool as an example would Chelsea, Utd etc just accept that or argue the case? As I say it’s far too complicated and won’t happen. We may get points deducted the next season a huge fine etc or band on signing players for X windows but they’ll not strip us. Add to that we’d contest it and it’d drag on for multiple years.
Not sure Liverpool, Rags and Chelsea owners would argue. All Yank owned.
 
Why? If you remove city you have to remove their results no? are the PL going to go back over all those years and determine what would of been had city not been involved? Did we relegate teams? Would they be entitled to sue? What about lost revenue from CL spots? Cup loses etc? It’s a huge can of worms that they’ll not want to open trust me. If it was given to Liverpool as an example would Chelsea, Utd etc just accept that or argue the case? As I say it’s far too complicated and won’t happen. We may get points deducted the next season a huge fine etc or band on signing players for X windows but they’ll not strip us. Add to that we’d contest it and it’d drag on for multiple years.
The headache the league would have if they do this is massive. It not a case of you finish second so title is yours. Everyone will want extra money for moving up a position.
What about if we took 6 points off a team that got relegated by 5 points? Could they claim they would have stayed up if it wasn't for us ?
Reply games ?
 
I think the quotes about a quick outcome say it all. The hateful eight want us gone…. They have grabbed at any possible charges, don’t give a shit about the facts, have no interest in a fair hearing….pretty much like UEFA and what a bunch of cunts they looked at CAS with their photocopied emails from Der Spiegel.

There will be no quick outcomes, which suggests those quotes are bogus or made by someone with zero knowledge of the processes involved.
 
The good thing is, that won’t happen. Absolutely no way to prove a team that finished second would have won it, had the winner not been there. Also, imagine the can of worms opened on relegation, European places etc.
IF we’re found guilty of anything, and that’s a BIG IF, it’ll be a fine. Guilty of everything it might be relegation and/or points deduction and/or transfer ban.
Good point.
 

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