PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

If there is no right of appeal and the PL rules state that they can impose unlimited fines, what is stopping them fining City 1 trillion pounds?
Common sense. Any punishment would have to have an element of precedence in the sporting arena and they will want to ensure they cannot be taken to court on the basis of hugely exceeding such guidance. Also, what other investors would put money into a sport whereby it could be lost overnight on the whim of a governing body, it would kill the sport.
 
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We hired Pannick back in 2020 against UEFA.

He was only on £20,000 a day then. His fee has gone up by £60,000 a day since then.(according to the Daily United) Lol!

Manchester City have hired the lawyer who helped block Brexit twice as the Premier League champions look to overturn their two-year ban from European football, according to The Mirror.

David Pannick QC is recognised as one of the UK's top lawyers and has been drafted in by City to lead their legal battle against UEFA following the decision earlier this month.

City chiefs will be hoping he can use his legal expertise to help the club out of trouble having been handed a heavy punishment by UEFA. The club has shelled out £20,000 a day to cover Mr Pinnock's legal costs.

Bloody hell, I hope we are not being defended by one of the Longsight Pinnocks!
 
Something nagging?

If the Premier League have us bang to rights, why do they even need an independent commission to seal the deal?

Why extend us that courtesy, is it the chain of rule book procedure?

I don't understand why the Premier League would want to run the risk of their own findings being dismissed out of hand?

Especially so, when City are the ones who have been pushing for four years for our name to be cleared by an independent panel?

Something doesn't smell right, I had the same sense prior to CAS that a piecemeal arrangement had already been weighted in our favour?

Extreme pressure from external parties*.

(*External parties who don’t only care if the charges are proven but also want to slow City down and damage the name of the club)

Weak current leadership.

Desperation to be seen as self regulating.

Push the case for a Super League (see external party interests)
 
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The mail ,wonder if city were represented?
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Yes, it's the normal PL meeting. The Mail are trying to gaslight readers here. These people pictured have no influence over the PL proceedings against City and, if they did, it'd be torn to shreds in court as a prejudiced enquiry.
 
Just stepping back and weighing things up here..

We were taken over in 2008 and had investment pumped into our club to enable us to complete with the likes of the rags, dippers, tarquins and chavs who between them had enjoyed a bit of a carve up with regards to winning leagues and cups and in turn benefitting from the millions of £'s CL qualification had to offer.

In what then appeared to be a fit of panic, new PL rules were quickly being assembled to ensure we wouldn't be to gate-crash the closed shop party.

However, because we were professional, clever and smart, we managed to get into the castle just before the drawbridge closed.

Obviously, the usual suspects were well pissed off..

From thereon in, not only did we build a team capable of competing with the chosen few, we assembled a management infrastructure that blew the old guard completely away.

The old ways where owners such as the Glazers, Kronke's and FSG's systematically syphoned off £100's of millions out of their clubs was being shown up for what it was..'pure greed'..!

The Glazers have taken out £1.1 billion pounds out of the rags since 2005 and have still not repaid anything anywhere near substantial off the £500 million pounds debt they originally dumped on the club.

Not a fkin peep about about this from the cnuts in the media btw..

Bingo, constantly whinging about the unfairness of it all whilst wasting untold millions on cart horses, this after spending £130 million pounds plus on a goalie and centre back. The fkin hypocrite..

City's new owners were not only investing in the team and management infanstructure, they were investing in East Manchester, generating 100's of local jobs, building a state of the art training complex and extending and improving stadium facilities..

All along, during this time you had the usual suspects looking at what we were doing with complete disgust..

City's owners were showing the rest of the PL and wider watching world how a football club should be run..

The watching world however were not impressed. They were far from happy that our club had 'elbowed it's way', albeit legitimately, onto the top table.

The G14 were getting rather pissed off too it seemed.

City soon faced charges of cheating and corruption, threats of CL expulsion and heavy fines.

Yet another obstacle for us to climb over.

Well guess what, we faced these charges head on and not only were we cleared of all the shit levied at us, we once again showed up the entitled establishment for what it was, a jumped up kangaroo court, backed by jealous, greedy owners of clubs who over the years had creamed off untold £millions without a thought for anyone else..

Over all this time, City went about their business on the field, playing mesmerising football, breaking record after record and winning stuff..

Let's not forget, Silva, Toure, Zabletta, Hart, Lescott, Clichy, Aguero, Nazri, Dzeko, Barry and the like were not the established world stars of the day.

I remember the media piss taking by one and all when Kaka turned us down, what was it ? Oh yeah, "you might have the money but you haven't got the class or history"..

They soon changed their tune however, when from 8 points behind with 6 games to play in 2012, we won the league in scenes that will never be bettered on SKYsports TV..

It was written in the stars that Ferguson and his rags team would win the PL that year.

Let's not forget, it would have been the rags 5th PL title in 6 years, btw, not a fkin peep out of the media twats about how unfair the rags dominance was back then, not a fkin squeak..

Ferguson had already been humiliated at the swamp 6-1 and had lost the return game at the Etihad in the most one sided1-0 you will ever had seen.

His team shit themselves that night and never crossed the halfway line, let alone had a shot on our goal..

Sergio's goal killed him, his team and the PL on that day.

At that precise time, I can safely say that I had never been happier in life..

Behind the scenes though, the chosen few were boiling with rage.

Not only had City beaten them on the pitch, they had fkin smashed them off it too..

The powers that be then wheeled in VAR and sold it as the tool to end all doubt, no more grey areas, dodgy decisions, unfair calls and confusion.

It's been and still is a clusterfuck of epic proportions, Rashford's 'goal' was a fkin bent, blatent cheating, scandalous fkin decision..

Fast forward to today, the chavs ownership has changed and yet another yank has appeared on the scene.


The chavs have managed to write off £1.5 billion pounds worth of loans Abramovich had saddled them with and they have just gone and spunked in the region of £600 million on new players.

Not a fkin peep out of the twats at SKY or the usual media twats about FFP, dodgy dealings or unfairness of it all, not a fkin peep..

The rags and dippers are now being hawked around all and sundry and my guess is it's because their yank owners have finally realised that we in the UK are not the US.

We don't run our football clubs as franchises where there is no relegation or promotion and you get to cream the money off year in year out..

You invest, build, nurture, manage and plan. You then compete on a level playing field and work hard to win stuff..

Apparently not any more you fkin don't..!

In yet another roll of the dice, the PL have delved back in time to 2009 to rummage through our accounts to see what they can now stick us with..

Our accounts that btw have been meticulously pawed over time and again prior to being signed off as true and correct back in the day..

Never mind that though, over 100 charges apparently, all the usual suspects are now giddy as fcuk, baying for us to be hit with relegation, title stripping, expulsion, points deduction... All of these they all scream..

Well guess what you bunch of bent fcukers, we've beaten you on and off the pitch, we've beaten you at the CAS and I have 100% faith that we'll beat you again..

Our owners have remained firm time and again and have shown their commitment to City by fighting all these allegations off for years and I'm certain that they are not going to throw the towel in now.

We are a £4billion pound giant of the game with the highest turnover in world football..

That's why I have complete trust in the guys that run our club..

That's why I know we're not going to go away into the darkness lightly..

That's why I'm confident that we are going to straighten this out once and for all..

However, I don't want us just to finally clear our name, I want my pound of flesh..

I sincerely hope that we blow these fcukers out of the water and if that means we sue their arses off in court after this is done and the PL collapses into itself then that'll be a good start as far as I'm concerned..


We have been waiting for this day to finally arrive, we will be fully prepared and I'm convinced that we'll prevail..!
Well done for taking the time to summarise.
I thought the expletives rewarded the reader and really characterised the feeling.
Bravo!
 
. . . and/or would have been leaked to the press!

This increasingly feels like an "appeal" of our appeal to CAS to me.

That's my own gut feeling.

If we take out all the conspiracy theories, the only one which makes sense is that any smoking gun would have been used in a period where we left Liverpool crying in to their beer.

It's a CAS re-run in all but name, with some of the timelines being widened to achieve a better outcome?

For who, that is the question!

I'm encouraged by the timing, as it has also been done to impact us in the title race, which again smacks of desperation, rather than a gotcha moment.

Four years, and both sides not wanting the details of the investigation in the public domain?

What do they call it in the States? Double Jeopardy, no?

We have three strikes and you're out here!
 
It would be a huge surprise if they did have anything else, as it would have come out in the last four years of litigation and a smoking gun of such magnitude would have resulted in a plea deal being taken.

We've won three Premier Leagues since it started. We have denied Liverpool in the process.

If the Red Shirts and Premier League had anything else, the trigger would have been pulled a long while ago.
It was but Darwin Nunez was holding the gun :-)
 
I note the point has probably been made already, but if the PL had any credible evidence, would HMRC not have been raiding our offices long before now?

The implication that we fudge our income surely has a massive knock on implication of tax fraud?

They'd probably wait for this outcome and if we're found guilty want their pound of flesh.
 
I note the point has probably been made already, but if the PL had any credible evidence, would HMRC not have been raiding our offices long before now?

The implication that we fudge our income surely has a massive knock on implication of tax fraud?
if we fudged our income then we paid more tax, there happy as far as i know
 
But if they do, it is pretty serious.

That bit is in there as awell. It is basically a claim that the stakes are high. While it is encouraging that the higher they are the more difficult to prove, it remains the case that if at all proven, it is a severe outcome.

I highly doubt they have any 'smoking gun' or a whistleblower/s.

This is the PL not government/international agencies who have the means to investigate.

If they had evidence of 9 years of fraud then the CFG and any other offices would have been raided by now.

I think they have the same evidence as UEFA and there are some things that need explaining, i.e. renumeration for players and managers, if we're being funded by the owner through Etihad etc.
 
I note the point has probably been made already, but if the PL had any credible evidence, would HMRC not have been raiding our offices long before now?

The implication that we fudge our income surely has a massive knock on implication of tax fraud?

Exactly. Not just HMRC but the UK Financial Crimes Unit and the Police.
 
Something nagging?

If the Premier League have us bang to rights, why do they even need an independent commission to seal the deal?

Why extend us that courtesy, is it the chain of rule book procedure?

I don't understand why the Premier League would want to run the risk of their own findings being dismissed out of hand?

Especially so, when City are the ones who have been pushing for four years for our name to be cleared by an independent panel?

Something doesn't smell right, I had the same sense prior to CAS that a piecemeal arrangement had already been weighted in our favour?

I’m guessing here, but can the PL impose sanctions/charges if they’ve not got all the evidence? If we’ve not cooperated they can’t have all the evidence. If that makes sense?

I’ve no idea why, and only have a basic knowledge of law. But i get the feeling the PL aren’t that committed to this. And their commitment and confidence must surely have taken a hit with the clubs fairly robust reply and some half decent journalists questioning the whole thing.
 
Will we have that shit hot woman that took the cas case on when pannick was double booked or something ? Forget her name , her on the team would be brilliant
 
I note the point has probably been made already, but if the PL had any credible evidence, would HMRC not have been raiding our offices long before now?

The implication that we fudge our income surely has a massive knock on implication of tax fraud?
HMRC prosecute city for paying too much tax?
 
Mistakes? In order for City to have done what the Prem has charged they are basically a corrupt organization from top to bottom willfully running a quasi-criminal enterprise for the better part of FIFTEEN years while conspiring with or defrauding an entire sub industry including investors (Spring Lake), auditors, players, managers, agents, officials, supporters and whoever else. Not buying it. This is a matter of intentional extreme overkill by the Prem in the hopes that something or other might stick while at the same time attempting to hinder our ability to succeed on the pitch and in the transfer market. I'm past opinions. This is the reality for anyone with the slightest bit of savvy of how the wheels go round and round. Are you sitting there and watching...
Nutshell.

I spoke to Mrs Wolviedinho who will tolerate I may have an unhealthy obsession with City and is quite up to date with the football world.

Anyway, she said its a load of shit. We are being used and abused by the premier, Uefa and other clubs for in her words…”doing what everyone else has done”.

Case closed -:)
 
Or C they know they'll lose but can turn round to the clubs pushing and the government looking to take their powers away and say we did what we could.

They could have done that the day after the CAS verdict. Could have closed the investigation there and then. Even keeping it open another couple of years, they could have closed it based on the cas verdict alone, taking a bit longer to get there.

If there is one thing this almost certainly is not, it is some token appear to have investigated and tried but failed posturing attempt. And neither was Uefa's shot at it, which people also claimed at the time.
 

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