PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Gary James said:
It seems so long ago now but many of the negative MCFC stories started from the earliest days. Here’s a free article I wrote a few weeks back to appear today about this day in 2010. It includes material from an interview I did with Khaldoon years ago. It’s so frustrating - and damaging - that all of this has been going on for so long. Well worth looking at this piece to remember the stuff we faced back then!

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City, Negative Media, Khaldoon and Stoke 2010

I’m going to talk about a period when I got totally riled by the way Manchester City was being covered by some in the media. This was this month in 2010 when considerable negative coverage was thrown City’s way. At that time I was interviewing several key figures at City and the following piece...
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It's not going to stop.

Why? It costs them nothing!

And even if they lose this case and we prevail.. they've pretty much brainwashed their base into hating us so when we play them, they maximize the revenues on those dates!

Win/ Win for them and we're the only ones playing nice!
 
pardoeofftomexico said:
There is always a lot asked about why the PL have taken 4 years to get to this point. I am not sure it has. At least a good couple of years of that were probably taken up by City's case against the PL and then going to appeal. I think these cases started in 2019 and ended in 2021. I would find it unlikely that we would have been providing any information during that period.
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Also during COVID.
 
domalino said:
It all depends on what city have done to cooperate.

With UEFA, City didn’t even present evidence in their defence until CAS.

The CFCB specifically asked for the testimony of Pearce and Hogan (City’s main defence against the charges was their testimony that what was discussed in the email didn’t happen) and they refused to give it until City were charged, convicted, banned, appealed and reached CAS
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By all accounts then we could have laid one big trap , and they are royally fucked , as are all our detractors if that’s the case.
 
flb said:
By all accounts then we could have laid one big trap , and they are royally fucked , as are all our detractors if that’s the case.
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Wishful thinking.. I could be wrong but I don't see City playing 4D chess here.

Maybe that's the problem.. we didn't anticipate this because the whole City welcome this seems farcical. They had no clue the charges were coming and if anything we look fed up of the whole thing again and again!!

The PL clearly has a vendetta against us and is determined to hurt us which is why getting a fair hearing and appeals would be vital!
 
flb said:
Cheers TH , I just hate the over confidence of the PL , only because they seem confident of winning and no other reason , they’ve got a case together for a reason , if the PL lose this , as in we are totally cleared then they are absolutely fucked surely , with major remuneration coming our way.
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I don't see it that way. I believe the Premier League have had their hand forced by lobbying and also by us, in terms of our non cooperation.

We are guilty of that and I can only presume we are happy to take the pinch on that, as long as we get to defend ourselves on our terms.

I also don't see City looking for damages in any win for us, as the public narrative will be put to bed once and for all, with a power dynamic away from the red shirts and cementing our place the top table.

I don't care about perception, I care about City continuing to exist, that's the only win that matters right now.

Those haters will continue to hate us, regardless of a positive outcome for us.
 
KS55 said:
City have used the phrase again in response to the PL charges. They have never said publicly what their “irrefutable evidence“ is.
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From reading the CAS award it seems like pretty much nothing. I'm sure they have very good legal reasoning for that.


If they have refused to engage with the investigation at all and provide an alternative explanation to the emails then it's no surprise we've been charged again because what else can The PL do? It explains why we're going to this judicial panel, and why City are confident they'll win again.
 
I’m no expert obviously, but could we be , or is this designed to stop us being allowed, into what seems to be the inevitable formation of the super league moving forward? Let’s get City relegated, to allow for example “ the fork in the sugar bowl club” gain entry at our expense? Let’s have it right , if six are allowed in - are we the excuse to get rid of City before it happens ? I’m convinced this is geopolitical, there is us , scouse , OT, Arsenal , Chelsea and the elephant in the room in spurs , us out of the way would ensure the latter a greater chance , maybe I’m deluded , but spurs are one gobby fucking outfit , and Newcastle worries Levy big time. God loves a dreamer , i fantasise about shagging Margot Robbie so forgive me.
 
I agree with the idea that City will always be damned in the public eye as the red loving media go for us.

I appreciate also that going to Court is no one’s ( except the lawyers) idea of fun

But if we are found innocent the club seeks no redress? Surely this encourages further action and this nonsense never ends.
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
Wishful thinking.. I could be wrong but I don't see City playing 4D chess here.

Maybe that's the problem.. we didn't anticipate this because the whole City welcome this seems farcical. They had no clue the charges were coming and if anything we look fed up of the whole thing again and again!!

The PL clearly has a vendetta against us and is determined to hurt us which is why getting a fair hearing and appeals would be vital!
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Frankly I consider our owner and Mr K realise that nothing will change attitudes towards them so I would be surprised if they trusted their enemies.
 
wolviedinho said:
Last point is a very good idea and something we all would love to see happen. Risk and reward, ffp currently aids us to keep top spot but if we have a chance to clear our reputation then the foundation needs to be ripped up.

We might find ourselves in a tricky position and must decide at some point.

Fixing this reputational lynching is going to be hard slog.
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Our reputation will never be fixed. These are tribal football fans we're talking about.

In terms of the wider world though, what they'll recognise is that City did what they had to do to grow their business, in the face of an FFP which is unheard of in any other business sector.

Sheikh Mansour has invested over £1.3bn into City & the City of Manchester. He's raised City from being a relegation threatened laughing stock, to a globally recognised footballing powerhouse.

Outside of the myopic view of football insiders, this will be viewed as a massive positive & will surely baffle people trying to figure out exactly what City & it's owner have supposed to have done wrong. \0/
 
flb said:
I’m no expert obviously, but could we be , or is this designed to stop us being allowed, into what seems to be the inevitable formation of the super league moving forward? Let’s get City relegated, to allow for example “ the fork in the sugar bowl club” gain entry at our expense? Let’s have it right , if six are allowed in - are we the excuse to get rid of City before it happens ? I’m convinced this is geopolitical, there is us , scouse , OT, Arsenal , Chelsea and the elephant in the room in spurs , us out of the way would ensure the latter a greater chance , maybe I’m deluded , but spurs are one gobby fucking outfit , and Newcastle worries Levy big time. God loves a dreamer , i fantasise about shagging Margot Robbie so forgive me.
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If that's the plan.. it would almost make sense to make peace with City now at the cost of Spurs and others. We're already bigger than most and are only going to get bigger!

I mean we City fans complain about it ourselves.. that tourists are taking up seats instead of locals. Do you see that problem with Spurs or others?

If anything only the Rags and Dippers have that "problem".




Levy is obviously mad that even with Mourinho and now Conte he cannot compete for top 4!

This might sound like "conspiracy" but the summer we need a huge overhaul.. these charges come out. It's almost designed to make us have a bad transfer window and maybe Pep walk, so they have a chance!

That would be a bigger win for them than any points/ relegation since a bad transfer window can hamper a club for years with bad contracts.. a much bigger issue than any legally applied punishment!

Hell a transfer window ban would be worse - if you really think about it!
 
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tolmie's hairdoo said:
I don't see it that way. I believe the Premier League have had their hand forced by lobbying and also by us, in terms of our non cooperation.

We are guilty of that and I can only presume we are happy to take the pinch on that, as long as we get to defend ourselves on our terms.

I also don't see City looking for damages in any win for us, as the public narrative will be put to bed once and for all, with a power dynamic away from the red shirts and cementing our place the top table.

I don't care about perception, I care about City continuing to exist, that's the only win that matters right now.

Those haters will continue to hate us, regardless of a positive outcome for us.
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Why shouldn’t we go for damages mate , they’ve fucked our image, and that Pep couldn’t do it without fiddling , I disagree tbh , always an out of court settlement.
 
flb said:
Cheers TH , I just hate the over confidence of the PL , only because they seem confident of winning and no other reason , they’ve got a case together for a reason , if the PL lose this , as in we are totally cleared then they are absolutely fucked surely , with major remuneration coming our way.
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Can’t see why there would be any remuneration, any more than there was from UEFA. Especially if we are found guilty of not submitting all the relevant evidence. They’d just say if we’d submitted everything it wouldn’t have gone as far as it has.
 
Revolver said:
I agree with the idea that City will always be damned in the public eye as the red loving media go for us.

I appreciate also that going to Court is no one’s ( except the lawyers) idea of fun

But if we are found innocent the club seeks no redress? Surely this encourages further action and this nonsense never ends.
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It's about picking our battles.

We still have to exist in the Premier League eco-system.

Better to have won the day and cleared our name in a legal setting, than the hyperbole of Talk Sport and Daily Mail.

If we clear our name, nobody in the media would dare trot out the accusations again, certainly not at the expense of a serious lawsuit.

We win in the judicial hearing, we win on and off the pitch in so many ways.

City essentially become bullet proof.

That's worth any point scoring seeking redress from a Premier League that is still ran like a cartel.

The independent regulator is our bonus outcome.
 
flb said:
Why shouldn’t we go for damages mate , they’ve fucked our image, and that Pep couldn’t do it without fiddling , I disagree tbh , always an out of court settlement.
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We won't forget... We will just get bigger and better.

It's the nightmare scenario from this last throw of the dice for these twats.
 
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