PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[waspish]

Just say there is audio footage of the referee at OT that put them in a bad light as in cheating! The way the media can spin any Narrative it won’t lead to nothing maybe the officials will get a 6 month ban then the premier will say it been dealt with! Never underestimate the way the media in cahoots with the red shirts the premier can spin it anyway they want!

 

[Prophet of Doom]

Good grief are we still on about that nonsense from yesterday.

It’s not even a plausible fantasy. There is nothing that could be said between a ref and VAR that would be used as collateral in any of the charges City face.

This is a great thread to hear comments from legal experts about what’s happening. Complete bollocks about secret recordings turns the thread into a joke.

 

[Fat Chance]

Just Wolves as far as I know - I think Martin Samuel alluded to it in one of his articles back when news of the letter going in to CAS was made public

Didnt wolves board pull out after thier fans got on the case not agreeing with it after being accused of being moneybags themselves when spending to get out of the conference

 

[Keeper!]

Piece I helped with. Slightly new angle to consider

Ian Mallon: Premier League prosecution of City looks a little naive

So far we can only speculate as to what the Premier League’s case centres on, although it has deliberately obfuscated by issuing vague references to stated rules it says were breached.

www.irishexaminer.com

Great piece, maybe they , the PL don't want to "articulate" the details publicly because if it did and we prove our innocence it will lead to multiple actions against the PL and not only from ourselves.

 

[Keeper!]

The notion that there is a smoking gun based on an in-game conversation between officials is as preposterous as the club being involved in wholesale fraud.

100% , yet more conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

[Keeper!]

Good grief are we still on about that nonsense from yesterday.

It’s not even a plausible fantasy. There is nothing that could be said between a ref and VAR that would be used as collateral in any of the charges City face.

This is a great thread to hear comments from legal experts about what’s happening. Complete bollocks about secret recordings turns the thread into a joke.

This sort of crap does our cause no good what so ever.

Just present the irrefutable evidence to the PL and let justice prevail.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

All of the broadcasting teams have access to the VAR officials and referees, it's why commentators sometimes know what's happening without there being further guidance on screen. I doubt "recordings" are hard to come by, anything we "leaked" would be known to about 100+ pundits, and the referees would have to be idiots to do anything in plain sight.

No way are our refs idiots ;-)

 

[I'm not really here]

Good grief are we still on about that nonsense from yesterday.

It’s not even a plausible fantasy. There is nothing that could be said between a ref and VAR that would be used as collateral in any of the charges City face.

This is a great thread to hear comments from legal experts about what’s happening. Complete bollocks about secret recordings turns the thread into a joke.

This. I'd like it to be true, but given my skeptical nature, I'll believe it when I see or in this case hear it [emoji23]

 

[Maly]

Piece I helped with. Slightly new angle to consider

Ian Mallon: Premier League prosecution of City looks a little naive

So far we can only speculate as to what the Premier League’s case centres on, although it has deliberately obfuscated by issuing vague references to stated rules it says were breached.

www.irishexaminer.com

Good effort mate, but can you get them to correct this part as I’m quite sure the charges weren’t overturned due to timing issues were they?


That was eventually overturned by the court of arbitration in sport (CAS) due to timing issues outside of the permitted legal process timelines for investigation.

 

[mrbelfry]

In which case is it possible that accounts can be correct from a legal and accounting perspective but not comply with FFP?
IMO this could have important implications as to whether we are being accused of falsifying accounts ( as some have stated) or simply failing to comply with FFP which are two entirely different issues.

Yes they are two separate but related issues. FFP is a presentation of the accounts with an FFP calculation at the end. UEFA though haven't charged with breaking FFP although the Premier League seem to be saying because our accounts are false then our licence to play in Europe is also false hence the FFP element in the charges.

We've also been charged with failing the Premier League's equivalent of FFP presumably because they believe our accounts are false rather than because on the face of the accounts we have actually breached those rules.

 

[slbsn]

Good effort mate, but can you get them to correct this part as I’m quite sure the charges weren’t overturned due to timing issues were they?


That was eventually overturned by the court of arbitration in sport (CAS) due to timing issues outside of the permitted legal process timelines for investigation.

I have told the writer.

 

[Maly]

I have told the writer.

Good man & thanks again for helping us laymen understand what’s occurring :)

 

[creed]

Makes you wonder what else the club may have doesn't it?
Ferguson in badger sett sex mystery?

Brock of Gibraltar?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Didnt wolves board pull out after thier fans got on the case not agreeing with it after being accused of being moneybags themselves when spending to get out of the conference

That was my recollection - certainly they were angry but I don't offhand know the reason. I think Wolves fans probably like watching the disruption of the Old Order.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

What made me suspicious was that virtually all the press ran a story saying the decision had been made by VAR which suggested they had been briefed. It was obvious in the ground that Attwell had overruled the linesman and there was not enough time for any proper VAR check. So Michael Oliver was stitched up. The worst thing is the broadcasters must be aware of this because they hear the taped conversation but they have not broadcast the story. I believe the broadcasters are complicit in the failure of VAR. It doesn't automatically mean it was a bent decision but it does mean it was a total cock-up which has been covered up. Let's see what happens.

This could be the crux of @Dodge 's post, advise from a match commander to ignore/not give VAR a look at it.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

100% , yet more conspiracy theory nonsense.

The Derby match farce is a different unrelated issue. Perhaps needs to be in another thread.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Brock of Gibraltar?

You should post a lot more.

 

[dave_blue12]

Make of this what you will, but I've just been privy to some startling information that would blow the lid off PGMOL and the power brokers at the Premier League, if it became public. It involves a recording of a conversation between the match day referee and VAR official at a recent away match, a recording that is now in the hands of City.

It's my firm belief that City have compiled a dossier so incendiary, that the Premier League will have no choice but to totally exonerate the Club of any wrongdoing. If they don't, this is going nuclear. Either way, we hold all the cards and this explains why we're so bullish about the eventual outcome. The Premier League are on the back foot, and in my opinion, are currently lobbying the membership as to how best to quietly end the process. I have also been advised that at least one of the "Nasty 9" has had board level discussions with City, distancing themselves from the others in the cabal.

Pep's press conference tells us all we need to know. Watch it again, look at the anger and barely controllable rage in the mans eyes. His attitude wasn't based upon him being reassured about some poxy finances & bullshit charges, it was because he KNOWS exactly what is coming.

Sit back and enjoy the ride Blues.

I have thought for some time that City will have been compiling evidence. With such widespread corruption in the PL it cannot have been too hard.

Pep’s presser confirmed for me that we have the ammunition to bury them if required.

 

[dave_blue12]

The notion that there is a smoking gun based on an in-game conversation between officials is as preposterous as the club being involved in wholesale fraud.

In game conversations are highly unlikely but I suspect that City will have gathered a raft of interesting evidence. When you know someone is coming after you it is the logical move.

 

[M18CTID]

I saw this post elsewhere, this morning. If it was you posting it, then great. Personally, I would be utterly amazed if we have been sat on our hands for the last four years without building up a robust defence. And, as we know, attack is often the best form of that.

My own thoughts on this are that @Dodge has posted in good faith (he's a long-standing poster and others on here know him personally) but the source further down the line - not necessarily who Dodge himself got it off - is chatting bollocks. It really does seem to be too good to be true, and in any case if there's any truth in it then it's a completely separate issue (an admittedly explosive one nonetheless) to what the PL have charged us with and as such the club wouldn't be using it as potential leverage against the PL charges. Dodge himself did say that that particular part was his own belief so no, City won't have been sat on their hands for the past 4 years.

None of the above necessarily means that officiating in this league is completely and utterly above board though. Sure, I'll happily accept that refs often make genuine mistakes but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if there is collusion at times and has been in the past.