North Stand Construction Discussion

[Citizen of Legoland]

It's weird that though, isn't it? We know Abu Dhabi and MCC are all over each other with the Manchester Life development, and the Arena is going to bring in hundreds of millions a year to the City.

Why would MCC not be all for the idea of collaborating on transport links?

Extra trams alone aren't the answer, they can't get through the Piccadilly bottleneck quick enough and would cause lack of service elsewhere on the network. One or two maybe but more than that is a non-starter.

 

[Holcombe bloo]

I think this is a nice idea in theory, but in practice, it's very unrealistic.

Firstly, who would pay for the buses? Where would they store them when they aren't being used? Which roads would they close (when there are concerts on would there be nightly closures all year round)? How much would it cost to use? Where would they find staff who were happy with this infrequent work when there's a labour shortage already.

The buses would be something like a split paid for by who uses them the most so I’d say 20 percent city 30 percent co op arena and 50 percent mcc who would use the buses in conjunction with gmpt Mon to Friday to replace a lot of the current dirty diesel stock. Thus also solving storage issues. Finding drivers might be a bit tougher true but nothing insurmountable if we pay a good rate. Road closure wise I’m only talking the odd road and junction, mostly intelligent traffic lights would help speed away the buses. Bus is the only quick solution here, trainsolution would take years and metrolink aren’t interested.

 

[domalino]

Extra trams alone aren't the answer, they can't get through the Piccadilly bottleneck quick enough and would cause lack of service elsewhere on the network. One or two maybe but more than that is a non-starter.

There must be an answer, and if I was in local government and got enquiries about improving transport from people with a trillion dollar investment fund and a known desire to invest around the world, and a track record of doing it locally, I wouldn’t be ignoring their messages.

 

[Rory Bluelow]

There must be an answer, and if I was in local government and got enquiries about improving transport from people with a trillion dollar investment fund and a known desire to invest around the world, and a track record of doing it locally, I wouldn’t be ignoring their messages.

It’s hard to imagine this as an insurmountable issue tbh. Difficult, perhaps.

 

[bluesince76]

I can tell you the players are shit, showered and changed and sat in the same traffic as the rest of us before many others are back on a tram.

Cars are parked fifty yards away so they make a sharp exit.

Once found myself next to Corradi on the A56 in Sale after a game. Getting away from the match must have been the fastest he moved whilst with us.

 

[Saddleworth2]

So not enough buses and you want to cancel a 300 million plus development ? You couldn't make it up...

They want support for a strategy a portion of which is flawed. I want them to think again about it not cancel it. That’s what consultation periods are for.

 

[True_Blue69]

is everyone putting their comments into the club about the plans?There is a questionnaire on the article that announced the plans.
I have just finished my comments which centred almost entirely on the transport strategy. They ask you at the end of the questionnaire if you support the plans. I told them I couldn’t until they rethink transport. The club has the clout and the wealth to make things far better for matchgoing fans And should use this development as an opportunity.

FFS

 

[Saddleworth2]

FFS

See my response to @pride in battle
So you are happy with the transport strategy are you. You think it’s spot on? If you don’t as I don’t then this is the best way to tell them. The majority on here think transport is inadequate at present but now the club give us a chance to comment its agree irrespective? Ffs.

 

[blueparrot]

is everyone putting their comments into the club about the plans?There is a questionnaire on the article that announced the plans.
I have just finished my comments which centred almost entirely on the transport strategy. They ask you at the end of the questionnaire if you support the plans. I told them I couldn’t until they rethink transport. The club has the clout and the wealth to make things far better for matchgoing fans And should use this development as an opportunity.

I did mine and made comments on transport,but I don't think they have the clout to make the difference you're suggesting. The transport can only be fixed by making the trams better, which will have a small impact, otherwise I don't really know what they can do, the road layout and number of cars leaving at the same time will always be an issue.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

There must be an answer, and if I was in local government and got enquiries about improving transport from people with a trillion dollar investment fund and a known desire to invest around the world, and a track record of doing it locally, I wouldn’t be ignoring their messages.

The answer is to build more rapid transit infrastructure @ £100M per mile (cost based on Trafford Centre route). The cheapest route I can see is linking the Oldham tram line at Asda to the Rochdale tram line at Monsall, 1.5 miles? With the complicated junctions and stations the cost is likely to be about £300M now, maybe more. It would take some time to recoup that.

The thing is there are options that the council are looking at that may benefit City, such as a tram/train solution on the line behind the athletics stadium. If that was to go ahead then the above wouldn't be needed. If the streets were nicer to walk then 1.4 miles to Central Park or Sandhills (if it happens) isn't too bad for most of us (I walk nearly a mile to my car anyway). I think there are solutions that would be easier to implement.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

At Maine Rd loads used to arrive early and leave late because we had over a dozen great pubs within walking distance and the curry mile on our doorstep.
The quantity and quality of pubs we have now are shit in comparison which is why many can't wait to get away.
If we have great bars and restaurants In the vicinity more people will be inclined to stay longer myself included.

So true.
The streets were very busy pre & post match, good old booze pubs everywhere.

Curry mile and a punch up with the OB outside The Clarence & Albert were derigour !!

Great days

 

[Saddleworth2]

I did mine and made comments on transport,but I don't think they have the clout to make the difference you're suggesting. The transport can only be fixed by making the trams better, which will have a small impact, otherwise I don't really know what they can do, the road layout and number of cars leaving at the same time will always be an issue.

I’m not suggesting for a second it is. It’s a chance to make views known. They could make it better if there was a will.

 

[splinter]

So true.
The streets were very busy pre & post match, good old booze pubs everywhere.

Curry mile and a punch up with the OB outside The Clarence & Albert were derigour !!

Great days

The fucking best days imo

 

[cheekybids]

Extra trams alone aren't the answer, they can't get through the Piccadilly bottleneck quick enough and would cause lack of service elsewhere on the network. One or two maybe but more than that is a non-starter.

Monorail……

 

[nmc]

It's not next to the ground though. It's a 20-minute walk down the road. It only takes around 25 minutes to walk back to Picc, so there's not much point in pushing Ashbury's - we need better infrastructure to and from Picc station and maybe an improved park and ride system going the other way.

We aren't talking revolutionary stuff. TFGM could have 5 double trams lined up at the end of each game (going to Picc) and that would significantly improve the situation.

There’s room to put a siding and bay platform in at the stadium so we could have dedicated double car trams running back and forth at peak times….to Piccadilly. It would be expensive to construct and the club may have to lease or buy a few additional trams ( but they could lease them back to GMPTA during the week etc).something needs to be done the present metrolink service is not even close to being fit for purpose But it should be a large part of the solution.

 

[The Blue]

It would be great to have a match day bus terminal and have special buses that go to different areas of Manchester from the ground, especially those areas that aren't on the tram network.

 

[berryblue]

There’s room to put a siding and bay platform in at the stadium so we could have dedicated double car trams running back and forth at peak times….to Piccadilly. It would be expensive to construct and the club may have to lease or buy a few additional trams ( but they could lease them back to GMPTA during the week etc).something needs to be done the present metrolink service is not even close to being fit for purpose But it should be a large part of the solution.

Do you think Sheik Mansour is made of money. ;-D

 

[OB1]

See my response to @pride in battle
So you are happy with the transport strategy are you. You think it’s spot on? If you don’t as I don’t then this is the best way to tell them. The majority on here think transport is inadequate at present but now the club give us a chance to comment its agree irrespective? Ffs.

I've not had chance to read much or do the questionnaire but will try to (very busy at mo).

I'm all for expansion but travel is a huge issue.

I travel c. 180 miles each way for a home game and midweek games have become a virtual no-no. It's not just about Manchester but that is the major challenge.

I'm sure more could be doen but I can imagine why the Council aren't much help.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

There’s room to put a siding and bay platform in at the stadium so we could have dedicated double car trams running back and forth at peak times….to Piccadilly. It would be expensive to construct and the club may have to lease or buy a few additional trams ( but they could lease them back to GMPTA during the week etc).something needs to be done the present metrolink service is not even close to being fit for purpose But it should be a large part of the solution.

Etihad Rail are the largest, and fastest expanding, operator in the GCC.

Give the Metro franchise to them...Etihad Airways Etihad Rail, Etihad Hotel, Etihad Campus, Etihad Stadium.

I also believe that the Dubai Metro has been voted the best in the world.

There may be a solution here !!

 

[Blu1]

It would be great to have a match day bus terminal and have special buses that go to different areas of Manchester from the ground, especially those areas that aren't on the tram network.

Liverpool fans would love this. They would burn it down & smash all the buses up
:-)