Liverpool bus damaged on journey back from Etihad Stadium today

[Cityfan]

And Munich is a city of 6m people

About 1.6 M I think.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

What question, I’ve been sent about 200 today

Perhaps give Bluemoon a swerve for a while , give us all some respite.

 

[Blue Mist]

The Mané game was 4/5 years after the song goes mainstream and starts getting criticised for being about Hillsborough.

You can’t adopt another club’s song 5 years after it’s written and claim everyone who has been condemning the song for years is wrong and actually you’ve decided it means something else.

Perhaps each individual fan has their own reason for singing it. I know why I sing it and it has nothing to do with Hillsborough.

 

[cheekybids]

And Munich is a city of 6m people founded in the 12th century but if you sing songs about Munich to United fans we all know what you’re referencing.

No one is claiming they have unique ownership of the word victim, but if you start singing a song about Liverpool fans that becomes popular when it’s sung 3 days after the independent hillsborough inquiry ruled that the people who died were victims and not accidental deaths, then you’re not kidding anyone.

The Mané game was 4/5 years after the song goes mainstream and starts getting criticised for being about Hillsborough.

You can’t adopt another club’s song 5 years after it’s written and claim everyone who has been condemning the song for years is wrong and actually you’ve decided it means something else.

Why can’t you?

Rags sang it about the Evra incident (built on the attitude always the victim never their fault)

@Chris in London just explained the Ederson incident (built on the attitude always the victim never their fault)

I gave an example of Shields campaign (built on the attitude always the victim never their fault)

On Saturday it was immediately as their players surrounded the ref having got away with 4 or 5 fouls wanting Rodri sent off.

 

[Blue Mist]

It also showed the clubs 2 assets, intimidation & lobbying.

They threatened to withdraw support from a labour stronghold, sounds like blackmail, it was. Free Shields or lose the upcoming election.

I didn't include that because whilst it is believed by most, I could not state it as a fact. The fact the the Labouur Home Secretary could be so weak is a disgrace that shamed his party.
To this day, Straw has never revealed what 'evidence' he had to order the Queens Pardon. He cant because there wasn't any. The Liverpool fans were so powerful they could get a guilty man freed.

 

[domalino]

Perhaps each individual fan has their own reason for singing it. I know why I sing it and it has nothing to do with Hillsborough.

It was sung at City, for the first time so far as I know, as an immediate and direct response to an incident that involved LFC fans booing a player for (as they apparently perceived it) getting one of their team sent off when the reality of the situation was that Ederson had just been very seriously injured by Mane, hence the stretcher, the oxygen mask etc.

The words of the song 'always the victim, its never your fault' were a direct response to that and only that. How often before had that song been sung by City? Never, seems to be the answer. If it was a reference to Hillsborough, choosing to sing it for the first time just then would be particularly perverse, not least given the impeccable attitude demonstrated by City fans at Anfield on the 25th anniversary of Hillsborough itself.

So how dare you assume you have the right to pontificate on what any City fan meant, or should be taken to have meant, or should sing, or should be taken to have intended when they sang it? How dare you tell any City fan that was pissed off by that attitude what they can and cannot sing?

I can, and do, claim to know what was going through the minds of the City crowd on that particular day because I was part of it. No matter who sang it before, no matter what was going through their minds, I can claim it meant something different when we sang it that day because it did mean something different. Can you claim to know what the crowd that day meant by that song?

On that note, who first sang 'City's going down with a billion in the bank'? Clue: it wasn't us, it was a team that plays in red not many miles away. And that song, just like always the victims, means something very different when we sing it.

Your entire argument is that everyone else should forget the long publicised history of the song being associated with Hillsborough before 2017 because you decided to sing it for another reason and anyone who doesn't understand your top secret new meaning behind the song is out of order.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

The Mané game was 4/5 years after the song goes mainstream and starts getting criticised for being about Hillsborough.

You can’t adopt another club’s song 5 years after it’s written and claim everyone who has been condemning the song for years is wrong and actually you’ve decided it means something else.

Yes we can, and we did, and we did it because it related to them booing our player being stretchered off because the tackle resulted in them having a man sent off to which they moaned about despite him studding him in the face six feet in the air.

It related to that incident at that moment and nowt else. Just because another set of fans sang the same words on another occasion is neither here nor there.

 

[cheekybids]

I didn't include that because whilst it is believed by most, I could not state it as a fact. The fact the the Labouur Home Secretary could be so weak is a disgrace that shamed his party.
To this day, Straw has never revealed what 'evidence' he had to order the Queens Pardon. He cant because there wasn't any. The Liverpool fans were so powerful they could get a guilty man freed.

It’s what they do, look at the club. They threaten & lobby using their influence of being major contributors of the prem leagues wealth.

Then they use their influence over the media. They are cunts.

 

[Shaggy]

About 1.6 M I think.

City about 1.5 million
Urban area about 2.6 million

 

[domalino]

City about 1.5 million
Urban area about 2.6 million

Metro area 5.9 million. it was just the first number I saw it's really not that important.

 

[cheekybids]

Your entire argument is that everyone else should forget the long publicised history of the song being associated with Hillsborough before 2017 because you decided to sing it for another reason and anyone who doesn't understand your top secret new meaning behind the song is out of order.

No it’s not.

You are only listening to the Dippers argument about why they don’t like the song. Why is the song now being sung by every teams fans?

The song is consistent & highly appropriate. Maybe if the dippers took it on board, admitted their fans are & club are often at fault & not always the victim the song will stop being sung.

 

[Blue Mist]

Your entire argument is that everyone else should forget the long publicised history of the song being associated with Hillsborough before 2017 because you decided to sing it for another reason and anyone who doesn't understand your top secret new meaning behind the song is out of order.

You twist everything and anything around to suit your corrupted narrative.
I've explained why I sing it. I can also explain why I will not sing that very funny song about Ryan Giggs. It cannot be sung without a reference to a terrible tragedy so I won't sing it. Always the Victims is NOT about Hillsborough so I can.

 

[GOULDYBOBS]

You twist everything and anything around to suit your corrupted narrative.
I've explained why I sing it. I can also explain why I will not sing that very funny song about Ryan Giggs. It cannot be sung without a reference to a terrible tragedy so I won't sing it. Always the Victims is NOT about Hillsborough so I can.

Same boat on the family man's song

 

[Chris in London]

Your entire argument is that everyone else should forget the long publicised history of the song being associated with Hillsborough before 2017 because you decided to sing it for another reason and anyone who doesn't understand your top secret new meaning behind the song is out of order.

No it isnt

Your entire argument is that a song consisting of two lines, one of which is sung three times, has one immutable meaning.

My argument is that you are talking bollocks. I am not asking anybody to forget the long publicised history of the song. I am asking anybody who is interested to accept that what was going through my mind, when I sang that song, was nothing to do with Hillsborough. And that is a claim I feel able to make on behalf the crowd who sang that particular song at that particular moment on that particular day because I was part of it.

There is, by the way, nothing top secret about it. The meaning was abundantly clear to anyone who heard the away fans booing Ederson while he was being stretchered off. I don’t have a problem with anyone who doesn’t understand that unless I’ve explained it to them and they are being arseholes about it. All I ask is that people don’t tell me I’m wrong about what I intended the song I was singing to mean when I explain what I meant to them.

 

[domalino]

You twist everything and anything around to suit your corrupted narrative.
I've explained why I sing it. I can also explain why I will not sing that very funny song about Ryan Giggs. It cannot be sung without a reference to a terrible tragedy so I won't sing it. Always the Victims is NOT about Hillsborough so I can.

I didn't twist anything. You admit it's not a song invented by City fans. It's a United song, that got widespread condemnation from clubs, supporters groups and the league for being about Hillsborough years before anyone at City sang it.

You cannot pretend none of that happened, you can't ignore that history and decide to adopt a controversial song and suddenly decide it's about something else and then not only that, but get upset that people think you're singing a song for the reason it's in the press and controversial before you picked it up - and get angry that the club condemns it and it draws criticism from the press.

You and @Chris in London and everyone else can all keep singing it and getting angry, but the club is going to keep condemning you, the league is going to take increasingly strong action and the papers will keep calling it a Hillsborough chant as they have done since it was started back in 2012 and long before anyone to do with City sang it.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Your entire argument is that everyone else should forget the long publicised history of the song being associated with Hillsborough before 2017 because you decided to sing it for another reason and anyone who doesn't understand your top secret new meaning behind the song is out of order.

Yet again you know everything and everyone else is wrong. There’s self opinionated and then there is you. Bluemoon’s very top know all without a doubt

 

[cheekybids]

I didn't twist anything. You admit it's not a song invented by City fans. It's a United song, that got widespread condemnation from clubs, supporters groups and the league for being about Hillsborough years before anyone at City sang it.

You cannot pretend none of that happened, you can't ignore that history and decide to adopt a controversial song and suddenly decide it's about something else and then not only that, but get upset that people think you're singing a song for the reason it's in the press and controversial before you picked it up - and get angry that the club condemns it and it draws criticism from the press.

You and @Chris in London and everyone else can all keep singing it and getting angry, but the club is going to keep condemning you, the league is going to take increasingly strong action and the papers will keep calling it a Hillsborough chant as they have done since it was started back in 2012 and long before anyone to do with City sang it.

Your quite right City will come out & condemn City fans. Now can you tell me a time LFC or Spirit if Shankly have come out & condemned their fans?

 

[Chris in London]

I didn't twist anything. You admit it's not a song invented by City fans. It's a United song, that got widespread condemnation from clubs, supporters groups and the league for being about Hillsborough years before anyone at City sang it.

You cannot pretend none of that happened, you can't ignore that history and decide to adopt a controversial song and suddenly decide it's about something else and then not only that, but get upset that people think you're singing a song for the reason it's in the press and controversial before you picked it up - and get angry that the club condemns it and it draws criticism from the press.

You and @Chris in London and everyone else can all keep singing it and getting angry, but the club is going to keep condemning you, the league is going to take increasingly strong action and the papers will keep calling it a Hillsborough chant as they have done since it was started back in 2012 and long before anyone to do with City sang it.

Maybe they will, maybe they won’t.

The press will report it in whatever way they think will make them the most money.

The club will keep on issuing statements that prevent worse consequences from following.

The action the league will take very much depends on whether the same regulatory structure remains in place, because a regulator might be less interested in accepting that whenever the song is sung it is a Hillsborough reference based solely on LFC’s word for it

But in the meantime, when City fans tell you what they meant when they sang that particular song you might do them the courtesy of accepting it.

Or do you seriously think that the meaning of a song, or a story, or a poem, cannot change depending on the context in which it sung, or read, or recited?

 

[Half time draw tickets]

Still no pics of that damage ey?

They wanted to scuff it up a bit more first for effect. Klopp put Nunez on the job but he’s not managed to hit it yet :(

 

[BringBackSwales]

It’s what they do, look at the club. They threaten & lobby using their influence of being major contributors of the prem leagues wealth.

Then they use their influence over the media. They are cunts.

You’re last 3 words are particularly pleasing