PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

TFC said:
Its amazing to me, the 'cheating' jibes that are flying around right now. Money is the steroid, and we are 'guilty' of taking it, but no mention of the millions and millions of free hits the cartel clubs were able to inject before they tried to pull up the drawbridge and keep everyone else out.

The truth of the matter that none of these charges would come remotely close to explaining why we are a fucking juggernaut of a club. Good planning and execution explains it, but if you are a crying twat fan of a rival club, I suppose being able to throw the word cheats around might help you sleep better at night.
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Its just a pathetic coping mechanism from Liverpool and United fans at this point. Reading online, that shit hole red and white kop now think Newcastle are cheating just because.
 
The current ffp rules should not exist, however they do and if we broke them we deserve punished? I don’t like this view tbh. It’s aload of shit. I feel sorry for city but you still have to be punished for competing.

Fuck no!

Maybe now the like of Leicester or wolves should ask the league for a new vote on ffp as they were all lead up the garden path and their trousers pulled down by the big boys.

It does beg the question tho as to why city did not challenge the ffp framework instead of trying to work within its constraints. Has this been the biggest mistake? Commercially no, winning trophies no but as for the clubs reputation well it has and will continue to be decimated for the good of the ‘game ‘, game in this instance meaning the cartel clubs.
 
wolviedinho said:
The current ffp rules should not exist, however they do and if we broke them we deserve punished? I don’t like this view tbh. It’s aload of shit. I feel sorry for city but you still have to be punished for competing.

Fuck no!

Maybe now the like of Leicester or wolves should ask the league for a new vote on ffp as they were all lead up the garden path and their trousers pulled down by the big boys.

It does beg the question tho as to why city did not challenge the ffp framework instead of trying to work within its constraints. Has this been the biggest mistake? Commercially no, winning trophies no but as for the clubs reputation well it has and will continue to be decimated for the good of the ‘game ‘, game in this instance meaning the cartel clubs.
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Challenging the FFP framework would’ve meant not entering the Champions League. We’d no choice really. The powers ranged against City would’ve tagged us anyway and FFP was adopted by the PL soon afterwards. Our club executives knew what they were doing - the only maybe questionable step was “taking the pinch” but again on balance, probably the right thing to do. Newcastle have won nowt and the signs are there that they’ll get the treatment. I definitely sense the tide is turning though.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Its just a pathetic coping mechanism from Liverpool and United fans at this point. Reading online, that shit hole red and white kop now think Newcastle are cheating just because.
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How many Premier Leagues and champions leagues have been won by the two most successful clubs in English football since FFP has been introduced? Two premier leagues and one champions league I make it.

All their other leagues and a European cups were achieved when a club could spend what they wanted. What would have happened if financial fair play when Liverpool were languishing in the old 2nd division and were bank rolled by Littlewoods? Would United have been as successful without their outside investment from floating as a public company? Would they bollocks.

All their trophies have been won during eras of unrestricted spending. If City would have had that since 2008 there would have been a lot more trophies than there are now in the trophy cabinet.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
All their trophies have been won during eras of unrestricted spending. If City would have had that since 2008 there would have been a lot more trophies than there are now in the trophy cabinet.
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Would there though? As I understood it, the implementation of FFP accelerated our growth way beyond the clubs original intentions.
 
I was arguing about this with some friends last weekend, and it got me wondering whether anyone has ever done an analysis of the all the Premier League title winners and whether they would have broken current FFP rules if they had been applied at the time. I would be fairly certain that many of the rags titles would be null and void if the same rules were applied as we have now. How much more than their income did they spend in the 90s and 00s?
 
HelloCity said:
Complete rubbish.

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It’s astonishing really that football journalists are given so much credence on the FFP/ UEFA/ PL charges. While the outcome of all these investigations directly affect football clubs the matters in question- sponsorships, accounting methods, treatments of assets and email hacking are all a million miles away from the usual match reports.

Why not ask entertainment journalists to cover murder trials featuring celebrities? Good crime reporters know what they can and can’t say in respect of criminal trials, that’s why they cover them. We have football writers pontificating about matters that are really outside their field.

What’s far more relevant are lawyers and accountants, as we have had on here, pointing out the complexity of the charges and what they relate to.

Most importantly the obvious but always overlooked issue is that no one outside of City, the Premier League and their respective lawyers know the scale of what is involved nor the evidence that the Premier League are using as basis of the charges.

The Premier League may have City bang to rights with extensive evidence that none of us have seen or the Premier League may have little more than the Der Spiegel files. The point is that no one, outside of a very small group, knows the situation so for journalists to pine on our guilt or otherwise are just talking nonsense, opinions disguised as news.
 
pavelsrnicek said:
It’s astonishing really that football journalists are given so much credence on the FFP/ UEFA/ PL charges. While the outcome of all these investigations directly affect football clubs the matters in question- sponsorships, accounting methods, treatments of assets and email hacking are all a million miles away from the usual match reports.

Why not ask entertainment journalists to cover murder trials featuring celebrities? Good crime reporters know what they can and can’t say in respect of criminal trials, that’s why they cover them. We have football writers pontificating about matters that are really outside their field.

What’s far more relevant are lawyers and accountants, as we have had on here, pointing out the complexity of the charges and what they relate to.

Most importantly the obvious but always overlooked issue is that no one outside of City, the Premier League and their respective lawyers know the scale of what is involved nor the evidence that the Premier League are using as basis of the charges.

The Premier League may have City bang to rights with extensive evidence that none of us have seen or the Premier League may have little more than the Der Spiegel files. The point is that no one, outside of a very small group, knows the situation so for journalists to pine on our guilt or otherwise are just talking nonsense, opinions disguised as news.
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Agree with this, I’d just add if they had us bang to rights, things would be moving a whole lot faster.
 
wolviedinho said:
The current ffp rules should not exist, however they do and if we broke them we deserve punished? I don’t like this view tbh. It’s aload of shit. I feel sorry for city but you still have to be punished for competing.

Fuck no!

Maybe now the like of Leicester or wolves should ask the league for a new vote on ffp as they were all lead up the garden path and their trousers pulled down by the big boys.

It does beg the question tho as to why city did not challenge the ffp framework instead of trying to work within its constraints. Has this been the biggest mistake? Commercially no, winning trophies no but as for the clubs reputation well it has and will continue to be decimated for the good of the ‘game ‘, game in this instance meaning the cartel clubs.
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Yeah I've never understood the 'if City didn't agree with the rules they shouldn't have signed up for them' argument.

Where would that have left us? In no league? They're fucking idiots.
 
What I don't understand is surely other clubs in this league had done some kind of wrongdoing but we never hear or see a case being made about them.

Just pointing out
 
LOL, will Pep stay is all they're interested in.

It's almost as if they're trying to force him out!

this is punishment for winning. I hope he doesnt go.

But if he does, then wherever he goes will become stronger and probably compete with the PL. Noses and faces.
 
lazza said:
I was arguing about this with some friends last weekend, and it got me wondering whether anyone has ever done an analysis of the all the Premier League title winners and whether they would have broken current FFP rules if they had been applied at the time. I would be fairly certain that many of the rags titles would be null and void if the same rules were applied as we have now. How much more than their income did they spend in the 90s and 00s?
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The other way of looking at FFP, is whether it's a useful measure is looking at us up to 2008. If you'd taken our accounts from 2006-2008 and done an FFP calculation, we'd probably have passed. However, within days of our 2008 financial year, we were seriously discussing going into administration as we couldn't pay the second instalment for the previous summer's transfers.

That throws into question FFP's actual use in ensuring financial sustainability and preventing clubs getting into financial trouble.
 
pavelsrnicek said:
It’s astonishing really that football journalists are given so much credence on the FFP/ UEFA/ PL charges. While the outcome of all these investigations directly affect football clubs the matters in question- sponsorships, accounting methods, treatments of assets and email hacking are all a million miles away from the usual match reports.

Why not ask entertainment journalists to cover murder trials featuring celebrities? Good crime reporters know what they can and can’t say in respect of criminal trials, that’s why they cover them. We have football writers pontificating about matters that are really outside their field.

What’s far more relevant are lawyers and accountants, as we have had on here, pointing out the complexity of the charges and what they relate to.

Most importantly the obvious but always overlooked issue is that no one outside of City, the Premier League and their respective lawyers know the scale of what is involved nor the evidence that the Premier League are using as basis of the charges.

The Premier League may have City bang to rights with extensive evidence that none of us have seen or the Premier League may have little more than the Der Spiegel files. The point is that no one, outside of a very small group, knows the situation so for journalists to pine on our guilt or otherwise are just talking nonsense, opinions disguised as news.
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You're right - the standard of reporting is abysmal. Right the way through from web articles written by kids (or so it seems) to so-called quality broad sheets. The quality of writing is superior in the latter but the content is normally biased and uninformative. It all adds up to provide fodder for belligerent key warriors to do their stuff on social media and turn the whole football community against us. Why haven't any of these analysed the charges like our legal and financial colleagues on here - pointing out that there are really 4/5 charges and not 115. That would be good analytical writing making a contribution to what is a complex subject. But of course they would prefer to trumpet the 115 charges so that social media dimwits can peddle the line of how can you not be guilty - some of these charges must be true. I get the fact that football is tribal and do not expect or want support from our red friends - but it is not unreasonable to expect the media to be informative and objective. I can honestly say I have only garnered information and perspectives from this thread - particularly those who have a legal and financial background and I am extremely grateful for all their efforts.
 
At last this moron has some sense of what is going on;
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Perhaps one day this whole age of football will require an asterisk | Jonathan Liew

Whatever you think of Manchester City’s wealth or Newcastle’s or PSG’s owners, football’s regulatory framework has never been fit for purpose
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What a surprise he hasn't pointed it out in all the other shite he writes. Today he hasn't even noted that Lance Armstrong wasn't the only cycling cheat - THEY ALL WERE!
 
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