VAR thread 2022/23

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Blue Mist said:
I've long said that the game is 'organised' for TV viewing. Milners non sending off against us the other season was so we could have an end to end last ten minutes. They don't want the F A cup final to be over after 30 minutes because of a red card. Referees are told and players know they can get away with bad tackles because of it.
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Didn't they do the same earlier in the season at OT? Ronaldo (the Savior) came on and with Brighton leading 1-2 they were denied an obvious penalty for a push on Welbeck.
 
metalblue said:
At the other end …. that’s given
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There's no question about it. Though VAR has made us question it, doubt it, be confused, believe their interpretation of it.
VAR has allowed them to find stuff, (or ignore it).

With no VAR utd are not getting that penalty!
We're probably not getting our penalty. But
It feels fairer even though that might be wrong.
 
So let’s get it right….
VAR was bought in so that if the ball hits someone on the finger tips who isn’t looking at it, doesn’t mean it intentionally and doesn’t prevent any chance on goal you can give a penalty as it’s ‘clear and obvious’

Whereas if a player deliberately kicks another player with no attempt to play the ball and prevents the player having a shot on goal inside the area then it’s ‘not clear and obvious’

Also if a player goes in studs up and over the ball on the ankle of another player in a dangerous manner and the ref gives the free kick the wrong way….it still isn’t classed as clear and obvious

The only thing in the FA cup final that was ‘clear and obvious’ was the incompetent (blatant cheating) VAR official
But Because we win it gets ignored again
 
Tb1981 said:
So let’s get it right….
VAR was bought in so that if the ball hits someone on the finger tips who isn’t looking at it, doesn’t mean it intentionally and doesn’t prevent any chance on goal you can give a penalty as it’s ‘clear and obvious’

Whereas if a player deliberately kicks another player with no attempt to play the ball and prevents the player having a shot on goal inside the area then it’s ‘not clear and obvious’

Also if a player goes in studs up and over the ball on the ankle of another player in a dangerous manner and the ref gives the free kick the wrong way….it still isn’t classed as clear and obvious

The only thing in the FA cup final that was ‘clear and obvious’ was the incompetent (blatant cheating) VAR official
But Because we win it gets ignored again
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At last someone who understands the LOTG. Perfectly summed up.
 
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Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The fact that Casimero should 100% have walked for that challenge aside, in what universe is that a foul by Akanji?

I'm not sure who is more guilty of cheating here; the Rag or the Ref?
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Has to be the ref.

The rag was doing exactly what he is used to doing, ie fouling the opposing player.

The ref can only see a foul by Casimero as he clearly stamps on Akanj's foot , and yet proceeds to award a free kick to the rags.

How in god's name, can that be a free kick to the rags ?

Corruption, or high level bias and /or incompetence ??
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
Has to be the ref.

The rag was doing exactly what he is used to doing, ie fouling the opposing player.

The ref can only see a foul by Casimero as he clearly stamps on Akanj's foot , and yet proceeds to award a free kick to the rags.

How in god's name, can that be a free kick to the rags ?

Corruption, or high level bias and /or incompetence ??
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David Coote - "Notts County Fan"
 
TinFoilHat said:
David Coote - "Notts County Fan"
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To be honest, there were enough examples in the match to demonstrate that VAR and it's operation by PiGMOL is absolutely not fit for for purpose.

The fact that the incidents were called out by pundits on the BBC ( of all platforms ) imo indicates that people who have played professional football realise what a sham the referees and VAR officials are regularly producing with such disgraceful decisions clearly bringing into question the integrity of the officials.

And it would appear to be no coincidence that united and liverpool often are the beneficiaries of these " questionable decisions ".
 
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Personally I wish with handball they would just say 'hits your hand (below the sleeve) - hand ball every time no matter how it happened. Would it be ludicrous? Yes, to a degree, and would result in a number of unfair pens. But... it would stop people getting away with anything subjective and take away the power the refs have now.
Selfishly it would help us as we are in the opposition box more - but this is more about stopping the refs from getting away with 'subjective calls' on whether the arm was in an 'unnatural position'
 
edinburgh123 said:
Personally I wish with handball they would just say 'hits your hand (below the sleeve) - hand ball every time no matter how it happened. Would it be ludicrous? Yes, to a degree, and would result in a number of unfair pens. But... it would stop people getting away with anything subjective and take away the power the refs have now.
Selfishly it would help us as we are in the opposition box more - but this is more about stopping the refs from getting away with 'subjective calls' on whether the arm was in an 'unnatural position'
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What is to stop attacking players purposely smashing the ball at defenders in the hope it hits their hand/arm?

It will become an absolute farce (even more than it is now).
 
edinburgh123 said:
Personally I wish with handball they would just say 'hits your hand (below the sleeve) - hand ball every time no matter how it happened. Would it be ludicrous? Yes, to a degree, and would result in a number of unfair pens. But... it would stop people getting away with anything subjective and take away the power the refs have now.
Selfishly it would help us as we are in the opposition box more - but this is more about stopping the refs from getting away with 'subjective calls' on whether the arm was in an 'unnatural position'
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I'd go the opposite way - almost all handballs aren't worth a penalty, so unless it's a really obvious one, no penalty.
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
To be honest, there were enough examples in the match to demonstrate that VAR and it's operation by PiGMOL is absolutely not fit for for purpose.

The fact that the incidents were called out by pundits on the BBC ( of all platforms ) imo indicates that people who have played professional football realise what a sham the referees and VAR officials are regularly producing with such disgraceful decisions clearly bringing into question the integrity of the officials.

And it would appear to be no coincidence that united and liverpool often are the beneficiaries of these " questionable decisions ".
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As another post has alluded I'm struggling to think of when the two clubs that don't have fully implemented VAR in the ground because (insert spurious reason here) have been fucked over by it.

I can think of two "offside" calls at the swamp that the lines were moved for to claim a goal.
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
Has to be the ref.

The rag was doing exactly what he is used to doing, ie fouling the opposing player.

The ref can only see a foul by Casimero as he clearly stamps on Akanj's foot , and yet proceeds to award a free kick to the rags.

How in god's name, can that be a free kick to the rags ?

Corruption, or high level bias and /or incompetence ??
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How far away was the linesman from this ?
 
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