PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

If the high bar of what the Premier league is alleging that City’s senior execs alongside auditors, sponsors and partners of the club all colluded to conduct mass fraud on an industrial scale. Is a 3 person independent panel the right pathway to adjudicate on the matter, surely this should instead be within a crown court with criminal proceedings to ascertain matter of fact rather than an opinion of someone on an adjudicating panel?

Is it more urgent that the exchequer needs to know if it has been defrauded rather than the premier league knowing what points deduction and fine they can give City, to help their friends in Red win a league that will have an asterisk against it if City finish above them?
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Spot on Gordy. Back in 2015, I got the chance to attend a Q&A with David Gill at my old school, which was celebrating its 500th anniversary. I got to ask the final question, which was what were the united hierarchy's thoughts when the takeover happened. His answer was that they took great interest in what was happening at the Etihad but felt secure in the fact that they were united and their position couldn't be challenged. He was very complimentary about the way we were run but then he came out with the now famous remark that "I'm no being arrogant but they'll never be bigger than us in Asia".

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

'Man City will never be as big as United in Asia and other markets', says former Reds chief executive David Gill

Gill, now a United director and UK Vice President of FIFA, hits out at City during talk at Manchester Grammar School
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I couldn't believe my luck that my question elicited that answer, which was reported all round the world. Whether we're ever bigger than them in Asia or not, hardly matters now. We are the more successful team and have bigger revenues.

I wonder what his answer would be now, if I asked the same question?
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The steepness of our rising arc for
revenue in asia is frightening. Still a way behind the 2 cheeks of the same arse but rising all the time and and slowly but surely catching up.
US the same. They love a winner there.
Arsenal has africa sewn up.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
If the high bar of what the Premier league is alleging that City’s senior execs alongside auditors, sponsors and partners of the club all colluded to conduct mass fraud on an industrial scale. Is a 3 person independent panel the right pathway to adjudicate on the matter, surely this should instead be within a crown court with criminal proceedings to ascertain matter of fact rather than an opinion of someone on an adjudicating panel?

Is it more urgent that the exchequer needs to know if it has been defrauded rather than the premier league knowing what points deduction and fine they can give City, to help their friends in Red win a league that will have an asterisk against it if City finish above them?
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If the accusations were true (i.e. that we’d artificially inflated our income) then technically we’d have been paying more tax than we needed to, so not sure HMRC themselves would get involved. It would become a huge diplomatic/political issue if we were found guilty though, which I suspect will be on the minds of the panel. They can’t just arbitrarily punish us, as some fear, to appease certain clubs. The fallout would be enormous.
 
Ric said:
If the accusations were true (i.e. that we’d artificially inflated our income) then technically we’d have been paying more tax than we needed to, so not sure HMRC themselves would get involved. It would become a huge diplomatic/political issue if we were found guilty though, which I suspect will be on the minds of the panel. They can’t just arbitrarily punish us, as some fear, to appease certain clubs. The fallout would be enormous.
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It feels like the club is getting dragged towards a punishment that will end up being opinion rather than matter of fact. There’s little recourse after what ever verdict to appeal, the way the charges have been listed as 115 in total. They are desperate to make something stick to show they are doing something to curb City.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
I see lots of kids wearing them, with their grumpy dads alongside.
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This is one of many reasons why we have hurtled past the scum on the outside. They arrogantly thought their name alone would always ensure they would be ok. But kids dont give a flying fuck who ‘used to be good’. They dont care that united were ‘something’ before they were born.
They see the here n now, they see us winning trebles, the viking, jackie G with his top off, and they think “i ‘ll have somma that!!!!”
 
Xhavenjoe said:
Same here.
Was in an Aldi close to where Roy Keane was born last week.
Saw what I thought was a lad in a Haaland Jersey on a few occasions but realised there were 3 different lads, not together, with Haaland jerseys
There's a GAA summer camp on near me and there are several youngsters in City gear.
Who'd have thought it a few years ago.
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Roy Keane was born in Aldi’s last week ??? :-)
 
bluealf said:
Of course not but it is obviously more than 100k and the aim that our owners have is to expand that whether we like it or not, over on Twitter it is a playground for fans from all around the world for all teams.

The best are the rag fans from Africa calling City fans from Manchester plastics :)

I have no idea how many fans we have globally but it will be way more than 100k, I am sure we would shatter that for the NW alone tbh
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No, I agree with that. City’s fan base in England alone is much greater than 100k.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
The point being is that just because United may have casual supporters throughout the world, how do they monetise them? They ain’t turning up for games or buying tat in the souvenir shop. TV money is where it’s at, City have qualified for the champions league every year since 2011. United, Liverpool, Arsenal. Spurs etc haven’t. They have also made the last 16 consistently since 2014 and also made the semis and finals 4 times in the last decade. Add that also winning the Premier league title 7 times since 2012. All that turns into extra air time on tv and prize money at the end of it. Then you have the sponsorship deals that come in because companies want to be associated with success. City’s ceo embarked on a strategy of signing deals with smaller sponsors but doing so in high quantity.

All this on the bottom line stacks up into money, standing still and believing that their clubs will always be some historical cash cow has been the mistakes made by teams that play in red. All the while City’s owners are constantly looking at how they can grow the club further. Keep an eye out for the biggest arena in Europe opening in December next to City’s ground and then a hotel opening up when the expanded North stand is opening up. City can’t possibly have bigger revenue than United though can they?
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They might well overtake Man Utd in the revenue stakes but that’s likely more to do with their incompetent ownership as much as anything
 
Rory Bluelow said:
I watched the game at Green Bay (v Bayern) and was amazed at City’s numbers in the crowd. That was pre-threeple, pre pure Treble, and of course young fans around the world are hugely following Haaland and Grealish when United have no personalities in their team. I’d say we’re still way behind but rapidly closing the gap. SM engagement is pretty high too. Will we ever catch them ?…who fucking cares ! But the rags/scousers obsession with history, arrogance and lack of respect is not helping them. When you read Red Cafe or RAWK some of the stuff on there is “off the scale” stupid it’s like a meeting place for the fucking village idiots. Long may it continue.
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You‘re right about Red Cafe and RAWK. The level of debate there is poor bordering on delusional which is why I’m only active in this forum.
 
foggy1974 said:
But that's the mistake you & a lot of rival fans make when it comes to revenue from sponsorship. City constantly winning things makes them box office & every tv station wanting to show them. It's more commercially savvy to be associated with Mcfc than spending about a million on a TV ad that 90% of people will turn off at half time.
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I wasn’t talking revenues but fan numbers.
 
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