England wasting one of the most talented squads ever assembled on Southgate

TonyColemansbagofapples said:
He isn’t playing our MOST creative player. Henderson, Rice and Phillips over Foden, Jesus wept.
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Foden is the most technically gifted player England has ever had, the team should be built around him, it’s no coincidence that Pep has said that he is the best player he has ever worked with.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
What countries are ‘fun’ to watch on a regular basis ?
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Very few to be honest, my in-laws are Portuguese and I watch them from time to time but I feel they’re experiencing similar issues with their own “golden generation”.

But it doesn’t have to be like the Harlem Globetrotters every match, some games are going to be dull, that’s football. There’s levels to this though, it’s more nuanced than just “fun” or “not fun”. It’s a spectrum. At one end is the kind of dull functional football that we had to endure under Pearce and then at the other there’s Brazil 1970. Then there’s a thousand shades in between. Both can get results but one is obviously preferable if you have a team with the right ability.

The frustration is that Southgate is one of the few men in world football who has the resources to fashion a stylish team but instead chooses to first ensure he doesn’t get beat. And that is a philosophical part of his nature which is never going to change.

There are teams with far fewer resources who are more liberal in their attempts to play a more attractive brand of football. Macedonia are one of them which is why they just got heavily pumped by us, but they knocked Italy out of World Cup qualifying so sometimes it comes off for them. More power to them, I have a lot of admiration for it.
 
Our best crop of players in a generation is being wasted by being coached hy Southgate. He is not an elite coach and our good results have come despite his management, nit because of it. A bit like Martinez at Belgium, a real waste and a shame.

That said, I have no idea who I'd replace him with.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Foden plays in a totally different position to them

Saka and Rashford at times get picked over Foden and based on England performances it can be justified
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Saka and Rashford have merited their places on recent performances.

They also seem to have been more patiently treated by the coach.

Cant remember Foden starting any consecutive games for England.
Relatively recently,at least.


Starts the odd match,and then by not managing to score a hatrick,or supplying multiple assists gets dropped.

Meanwhile Gareth tells everyone how he picks his squads based on club form.
 
Toney’s bookie said:
Our best crop of players in a generation is being wasted by being coached hy Southgate. He is not an elite coach and our good results have come despite his management, nit because of it. A bit like Martinez at Belgium, a real waste and a shame.

That said, I have no idea who I'd replace him with.
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Personally I’d have Graham Potter over him in a heartbeat.
 
.......PickFord....
Walker.Stones.Maguire.Shaw
...........Rice.....
...Foden....Bellingham
Saka....Kane...Grealish

Probably our best 11 right now.
 
FantasyIreland said:
.......PickFord....
Walker.Stones.Maguire.Shaw
...........Rice.....
...Foden....Bellingham
Saka....Kane...Grealish

Probably our best 11 right now.
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Looks sexy to me

I would stick with Trent personally where you put Foden, his set pieces and deliveries alone can win games.
Foden for Grealish probably.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Would you give up on City if a manager played more of a defensive style despite having one of the highest win ratios ?
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City are defensive.
Arteta even stated Pep is the most defensive manager in the Prem.

Hence why we keep the ball and move it to find over loads. A reluctance to gamble with a bung into the box. Instead, recycled until we find gaps.

I think Southgate has gone down the Liverpool route
That’s the way he’s modelled the team tactics

I think it will get you so far. And then you will be beat by the better footballing team.
 
supercity88 said:
Several of those players get in the current City side. All of them were world class. That squad is better than this one, that's unarguable. Football has evolved but those players were all much better when compared to those from other countries than this current squad. They weren't rotten personalities either. They were committed to club football and the England managers were unable to create an environment of unity and commitment to the national team, in combination with being tactical incapable of getting the best out of them.

What Southgate has achieved with this squad over the past few tournaments is very good. I feel like he's benefitted from some favourable draws and he definitely isn't as tactically astute as many other managers, but whilst someone else could improve on that side, it's no guarantee they'd be able to create the same team environment and that plays a huge part in things.
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What drugs are u on? Sorry mate but are you such a Southgate fan that you invent things! Peps Barca side destroyed some of those those heroes you are harping on about in 2011. This pep side would destroy that Barca Side!

I do not wish to denigrate you.....but keep on clapping son!!!
 
Gremlin said:
Not a wind up. The PL (or any league competition) is a very different animal to a knockout cup competition. Over 38 games the best teams will almost always win, but in a knockout tournament teams can get a lucky draw/run (does anyone think that Chelsea was actually the best team in Europe when they won it in 2012? they came 6th in the PL!). Hence why City under Pep has been so successful in the PL - because we can all agree they are the best and quality will out over 38 games.

However, what I was doing was comparing records in major knockout cup competitions (i.e. at least on a superficial level trying to compare apples with apples) and and asking for consistency in assessment of the results. I very clearly said I wasn't suggesting Southgate was as good at Pep!

PS: if 'any other manager' would have done what Southgate has, why haven't they? He is still has the best results as an England manager in 50 years and that's just stating a fact.
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Another fact is that BFS has a 100% win record with England.....
 
This team is no way as talented as when we had Terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Lampard, Scholes, Gerrard and Rooney all in the same team

At the same time Southgate has a good crop of players who keep the ball well, but at the same time nobody in that midfield shines enough to set it alight.

It's been that way since Gascoigne left the England scene. Someone that takes risks and gets the ball forwards. Whether that's Southgates instructions or lack of confidence I don't know. We have the players in Grealish, Saka and Foden to make something happen.

Semi final of a world cup and a final of Euros is over achieving in a side like this for me. Considering we haven't won anything almost sixty years I don't see what else we can do.

Sven and Capello were bigger failures for me. My only thing is I wish Southgate would be more adventurous
 
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