PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

ayrshire_blue said:
With respect, I'm not sure that's accurate. (Sure you're about to put me in my place now!!)
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It’s accurate in what I experience, but whether this is City’s case I don’t know.

The normal situation is that an enquiry would be done and a charged raised if they had enough evidence (I’m not sure this is the case in City’s case).

Then the bigger the infringement, accusation can have different thresholds and burden of proof.

You could have something minor and have to prove the claims false on the balance of probabilities.

Higher accusations such as fraud would be the accuser proving their case and beyond resonable doubt.

However, different places will have different rules and you could well be right and City won’t.

My point more is that I think the independent commission whilst being fair, we would be better off with it being a truly independent.

For example, both parties submit their case, evidence/ skeleton arguments prior to the hearing. I can see that they will start with the PL one and then take it from there (small marginal gains).

Although I can’t see the case being decided on them.
 
Cricket Blue said:
Why doesn't the club defend itself more and
Start going after these cunts for defamation of
character.
Start banning some of these fuckers from the ethihad. Do something fffs.
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They can't whilst there's one more case by the PL to go.

Hopefully after that and City win the final case, it's open season?

Unfortunately I don't think Mansour and Khaldoon with instruct City's Lawayes to go after the usual suspects.

They will be glad it's over and carry on winning on and off the pitch.
 
jrb said:
They can't whilst there's one more case by the PL to go.

Hopefully after that and City win the final case, it's open season?

Unfortunately I don't think Mansour and Khaldoon with instruct City's Lawayes to go after the usual suspects.

They will be glad it's over and carry on winning on and off the pitch.
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It's really tedious now all of this.
 
Cricket Blue said:
Why doesn't the club defend itself more and
Start going after these cunts for defamation of
character.
Start banning some of these fuckers from the ethihad. Do something fffs.
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Because that is what they want. City have to concentrate on winning and not get distracted.
 
Fuzzy80 said:
It’s accurate in what I experience, but whether this is City’s case I don’t know.

The normal situation is that an enquiry would be done and a charged raised if they had enough evidence (I’m not sure this is the case in City’s case).

Then the bigger the infringement, accusation can have different thresholds and burden of proof.

You could have something minor and have to prove the claims false on the balance of probabilities.

Higher accusations such as fraud would be the accuser proving their case and beyond resonable doubt.

However, different places will have different rules and you could well be right and City won’t.

My point more is that I think the independent commission whilst being fair, we would be better off with it being a truly independent.

For example, both parties submit their case, evidence/ skeleton arguments prior to the hearing. I can see that they will start with the PL one and then take it from there (small marginal gains).

Although I can’t see the case being decided on them.
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How can this ever go to an independent commission when it’s being brainwashed into people morning noon and night that we are guilty of the charges against us , how can anyone be truly independent on the panel who will decide our fate ? There is obviously a clear lack of real evidence to hang us out to dry. Even a grey area isn’t enough to let the guillotine blade drop.
I have a real unnerving feeling about this , a feeling that we will get done by a kangaroo court , it just feels that something is going to stick in all this , too many of our detractors, wether impartial or not want to see us sanctioned for the good of the game. It feels like a stitch up , and it not having the ability to go to a real court , and they know it, something is going to stick , we may get off , but the reputational danger is done , we just won’t be cleared 100% , and if we are really innocent then why are we not going to prove it , it all feels like it’s going to be legal loophole that will get us off , should we actually require a loophole?. Not a single person on here like PB,PR et all , actually seem confident of us being cleared .
 
Does it even matter if the Mansour paid the £15m each season as long as the sponsorship was deemed fair value?
 
There is a light said:
There’s nothing whatsoever for us to be angry about in that show apart from using City for a sensationalist headline slot complete with yellow banner. He gave them all a chance to say / land something significant and they had nothing whatsoever. He challenged them and in the end the show was balanced against the media with the general consensus that nothing had been proven re City and that it was questionable if there was actually anything wrong with outside investment as they regularly claim. Made them look a bit stupid if nothing else. I hope fans of the red clubs tuned in expecting some groundbreaking exclusive, they will have been very disappointed.
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The red clubs won’t have seen it like that, they could have said so basically City have nothing to worry about & they’ll think it’s proof we’ve paid everyone off.
 
flb said:
How can this ever go to an independent commission when it’s being brainwashed into people morning noon and night that we are guilty of the charges against us , how can anyone be truly independent on the panel who will decide our fate ? There is obviously a clear lack of real evidence to hang us out to dry. Even a grey area isn’t enough to let the guillotine blade drop.
I have a real unnerving feeling about this , a feeling that we will get done by a kangaroo court , it just feels that something is going to stick in all this , too many of our detractors, wether impartial or not want to see us sanctioned for the good of the game. It feels like a stitch up , and it not having the ability to go to a real court , and they know it, something is going to stick , we may get off , but the reputational danger is done , we just won’t be cleared 100% , and if we are really innocent then why are we not going to prove it , it all feels like it’s going to be legal loophole that will get us off , should we actually require a loophole?. Not a single person on here like PB,PR et all , actually seem confident of us being cleared .
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Nor do they seem confident that we will be meaningfully punished either, but much of this is confidential in nature so it's hard to predict anything. I actually feel more confident after the attempted smear on Piers Morgan Uncensored. The so-called 'exclusive revelation' was a rehash. It leads me to believe that The Times know nothing. They built a news story on the back of an anonymous YouTube video with 34 followers. If that is the standard to be running a news story then in an even-handed world they'd have followed up on that article three years ago when a doctor predicted Liverpool would burn out because they were abusing TUEs to misuse inhalers. But we don't live in an even-handed world and the club's reference to "organised and clear" has never felt more relevant.
 
This shit is getting very boring very quickly. More scandalous headlines already covered for the millionth time. Cas found nothing wrong but that gobshite Morgan has a secret YouTube with secret funding and hidden identities have us bang to right over a mysterious benefactor 10 years ago…oh the irony!

All the financial transactions were above board and signed off by multiple organisation but I suppose this mysterious person paid all them off too? Wish he would come round to my house!

But hey, what do I know. These titans of industry have spoken and will churn the curd for their paymasters in America or the Middle East and it will be lapped up and regurgitated by brainless blobs of human excrement.

It’s ok tho as Arsenal are now spending obscene amounts with no previous periods of success and half empty stadiums.

Chelsea have found yet another loop hole that has now been closed after they have benefited and new American money wipes out any negativity towards the old russian regime.

The rags are still in debt, still protesting and still playing in a dump. They too are about to spend more money but that’s also ok.

City aren’t allowed to shit in the wind for fear of another charge.

News? Nah! More like:

 
John Wayne said:
Nor do they seem confident that we will be meaningfully punished either, but much of this is confidential in nature so it's hard to predict anything. I actually feel more confident after the attempted smear on Piers Morgan Uncensored. The so-called 'exclusive revelation' was a rehash. It leads me to believe that The Times know nothing. They built a news story on the back of an anonymous YouTube video with 34 followers. If that is the standard to be running a news story then in an even-handed world they'd have followed up on that article three years ago when a doctor predicted Liverpool would burn out because they were abusing TUEs to misuse inhalers. But we don't live in an even-handed world and the club's reference to "organised and clear" has never felt more relevant.
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When the likes of PB and Projectriver don’t seem overly confident in us getting off then I think we should be worried - neither of them have given us any confidence that things will go our way , right now I’d take fine, and that feels like a win right now.
 
flb said:
When the likes of PB and Projectriver don’t seem overly confident in us getting off then I think we should be worried - neither of them have given us any confidence that things will go our way , right now I’d take fine, and that feels like a win right now.
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With respect to both posters they do not know the charges nor the evidence city can provide. Which they have both acknowledged. All we can do is speculate based on previous findings and the laws that surrounds the premier league case against city.

The only person who can give you any confidence is Khaldoon and he didn’t seem like a man walking to a dead end. In fact what he did seem was angry and reaffirmed that city are very much looking forward to the future. No more proof needed than the investment heading to Manchester. Pep also looked very bullish after the premier dropped its red pants.

No fine as they have no fucking proof of any wrongdoing.
 
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flb said:
When the likes of PB and Projectriver don’t seem overly confident in us getting off then I think we should be worried - neither of them have given us any confidence that things will go our way , right now I’d take fine, and that feels like a win right now.
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Eh? I’ve not get that impression at all.

Not saying they’re saying the opposite either and we’ll be fine but they’ve definitely not been negative.
 
Jack Hackett said:
I wasn’t aware of that but maybe it’s not surprising that Arsenal would back the FA and PL in keeping self regulation and probably not surprising that City would prefer an independent regulator given I imagine relations with the PL are probably not that cordial at the moment. But that’s me speculating.
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We voted for an independent regulator before the charges.
Your club voted against it cos they’ll lose their power as founding member of the premier league.
 
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