PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Ric said:
That video has only had 162k views in a week, many of whom will be City fans, and a paltry 1.8k likes. I don't think it's quite had the impact that those behind it hoped for.
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Form my experience the only fan base that moan are the dippers and rags. Never had any other fans moan about our money etc.

Most rival fans I meet on our journey to and from the Etihad are pleased we stop the dippers and rags.

Perhaps those viewing figures back that up. Most fans arent bothered and understand ffp is to stop them from breaking into the cartel.
 
Ric said:
That video has only had 162k views in a week, many of whom will be City fans, and a paltry 1.8k likes. I don't think it's quite had the impact that those behind it hoped for.
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Fuck me, "Mason Mount signs for Man United" by the fan channel The Club has 154k views from yesterday and City's first interview with Kova has 348k views (and neither are exactly hot videos). That's embarrassingly small number for the investment.
 
projectriver said:
That's not correct. We should work on the basis the Independent Commission will be impartial and competent. The key thing that would give rise to an appeal to the Courts would be acting against the "normal laws of justice" as you put it.

Rule X.37 of the PL Rules states that EXCEPT FOR the provisions of sections 67 to 71 of the Arbitration Act (AA), the award shall be final and binding on the parties and there shall be no right of appeal. This is Section 68 of the AA.


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Section X relates to the Arbitration Process within the PL sphere, is that right, not the Disciplinary Commission? So there is a right, in certain circumstances to appeal the decision of the Disciplinary Commission to an Appeals Board and a right for a further appeal, in certain circumstances, to an Arbitration Tribunal after which the decision is final. Is that about it?

So there is the possibility of appeal to a CAS-like arbitration tribunal where the abitrators are chosen one by each party and together for the third. Or am I misremembering all that?
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
Fuck me, "Mason Mount signs for Man United" by the fan channel The Club has 154k views from yesterday and City's first interview with Kova has 348k views (and neither are exactly hot videos). That's embarrassingly small number for the investment.
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161K was me viewing it for comedy reasons.
 
Cobwebcat said:
City have no interest trying to convert or defend against long standing 30+ legacy (please excuse the phrase) fans of rival clubs. They are concentrating on the generation to come who have no interest in who was great 20 years ago or that City might have spent too much.

Each day that goes by the history clubs become more irrelevant while the positive affects City have on the younger generation grows. You can see the affect every day, it’s all around you.

One day maybe City will be the history club and we will be moaning to the wind while the new club ignores and then passes us. Or maybe we will see it coming and adapt rather than wasting precious time fighting short term battles that can’t be won or are irrelevant.

City know this but a lot of our fan base think we are not fighting. We win the fights that matter. Our owners also have long memories. Be patient and learn not to care about the noise and concentrate on the signal.

The noise is social media.

The signal right now is that we are the number one Brand in World Football and have won the treble. We are developing our stadium while United and Liverpool are up for sale.

City are doing their bit and then some. If our fans don’t see it that way then that’s a shame but it won’t alter City’s attitude. Don’t look to what City do or don’t say because it doesn’t matter in the long term. Look to what they do.

City are winning on every front that matters. If they choose not to fight one battle (be it what some fool on twitter says about empty seats, oil money, cheating or the like) then there is a reason. It might be upsetting you but it is not a battle City care about. Accept it.
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Excellent post, god knows why some of our fans get upset about SM, were winning on every front that matters.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Section X relates to the Arbitration Process within the PL sphere, is that right, not the Disciplinary Commission? So there is a right, in certain circumstances to appeal the decision of the Disciplinary Commission to an Appeals Board and a right for a further appeal, in certain circumstances, to an Arbitration Tribunal after which the decision is final. Is that about it?

So there is the possibility of appeal to a CAS-like arbitration tribunal where the abitrators are chosen one by each party and together for the third. Or am I misremembering all that?
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From memory it is Independent Commission to another Independent Commission on appeal. If something is wrong with either IC you go to Arbitration and then potentially into these very limited Section X Court appeals. That is from memory but I have been through this earlier in the thread if you do a search.
 
projectriver said:
From memory it is Independent Commission to another Independent Commission on appeal. If something is wrong with either IC you go to Arbitration and then potentially into these very limited Section X Court appeals. That is from memory but I have been through this earlier in the thread if you do a search.
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Will do, thanks. People seem to worry that we may get stitched up by this disciplinary panel with no right of appeal.

Whereas, I think, if the club is clever enough with its appeals we can end up in a real, independent tribunal like at CAS even within the PL process.
 
projectriver said:
You are putting it at too high a level. Nobody is suggesting Ziegler or The Times were part of any shadowy cabal. They were offered an exclusive story in exchange to push the link to the video. Its classic PR. I'm not suggesting Ziegler (or frankly anyone) has done anything wrong. I've even said that the doc itself is a decent, if wholly one-sided, summary of most of the affair. Nothing I've actually said above is speculation aside from how the whole 8pm embargo came together. It is indisputable that it was co-ordinated by someone.
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I don’t blame Ziegler. You can’t blame him for writing a story leaked to him on a plate. Most of his articles have been balanced. He is nothing like Harris and Delaney who are totally unprofessional….essentially trolls.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Will do, thanks. People seem to worry that we may get stitched up by this disciplinary panel with no right of appeal.

Whereas, I think, if the club is clever enough with its appeals we can end up in a real, independent tribunal like at CAS even within the PL process.
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It is all like CAS (on paper). The UEFA Adjudicatory Chamber is not constituted like the Independent Commission.
 
Can I just say having read the 2000 or so threads on this subject can somebody actually say we are guilty of anything? I have to bat away accusations from all the twats over here who are all red top cunts who by the way know feck all about the charges(including me).
 
Spanishbob said:
Can I just say having read the 2000 or so threads on this subject can somebody actually say we are guilty of anything? I have to bat away accusations from all the twats over here who are all red top cunts who by the way know feck all about the charges(including me).
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Guilty of being the best god damned side in the world that’s for sure.
 
Spanishbob said:
Can I just say having read the 2000 or so threads on this subject can somebody actually say we are guilty of anything? I have to bat away accusations from all the twats over here who are all red top cunts who by the way know feck all about the charges(including me).
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Lots of people say we are, Delooney, Mental Harris etc.

I'd say we're not if that helps?
 
projectriver said:
From memory it is Independent Commission to another Independent Commission on appeal. If something is wrong with either IC you go to Arbitration and then potentially into these very limited Section X Court appeals. That is from memory but I have been through this earlier in the thread if you do a search.
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Presumably we get to chose the head of the second commission as EPL chose the head of the first ………………
 
This is new football economy show I saw on YouTube. It’s lost credibility when the expert was shit talking the club saying we are not the biggest brand and if he went to part of world where no one heard of us they will know Liverpool, Man U, Barca and Real Madrid.

It took a turn about our treble win not being recognised because of the breaches.

Does anyone believe this? This first time I have seen this narrative being pushed in this way. Haters say things but that haters but this is something else.

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Blueroses said:
This is new football economy show I saw on YouTube. It’s lost credibility when the expert was shit talking the club saying we are not the biggest brand and if he went to part of world where no one heard of us they will know Liverpool, Man U, Barca and Real Madrid.

It took a turn about our treble win not being recognised because of the breaches.

Does anyone believe this? This first time I have seen this narrative being pushed in this way. Haters say things but that haters but this is something else.

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Anything that hurts. Same as we'd do to them. I don't care tbh.

We actually won the treble, they can bleat all they want.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Anything that hurts. Same as we'd do to them. I don't care tbh.

We actually won the treble, they can bleat all they want.
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We hit the pinnacle in football but seeing this new narrative is like having those city haters on Twitter on blast. Pretty disgusting to be honest.
 
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