England wasting one of the most talented squads ever assembled on Southgate

Out of his depth, but anyone with half a working brain understands that. The way he sets his team up compared to the top managers is laughable. He hasn't got a vision or any new ideas, it's a mixture of old school football, with the reluctant nicking of other managers ideas, about a year after they come up with them.

The top clubs aren't exactly falling over themselves to employ him are they, and they never will be. He's a yes man, who will do as he's told by the FA, that's why he's in the job. The two faced **** still picked Henderson after their collective faux outrage over gay rights in the middle East. Spineless bullshiting twat.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
to win a international tournament is so f*ckin tough regardless if you have the best manager in the world and the best team. Man City, Pep in the champions league know all to well.

So many factors have to go your way to win a major tournament, especially a knockout one. Why should we have the divine right to win it over every other nation in the next World Cup ? We don’t. We just got to get behind and support , although most like yourself probably half hope we lose.

‘Entertainment’ argument is subjective and tedious, we hardly had any possession against Brighton at the weekend yet countered attacked them at pace , scored 3 and could have had more. It was a joy to watch. Entertainment comes in many forms. What I do know though is that it’s a results buisness- if England don’t win a game no one gives a f*ck if it was ‘entertaining’ it’s just pure outrage and abuse.
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You are right, it is a results business.On that basis why is Southgate still in a job given the quality of the England squad, which is probably the best we've ever had !? Also, you mention so many factors, I assume you are mainly referring to luck? What are the other factors that work against him ? Other "major" football nations ( if indeed England are one ) have been lucky many times more than England ! Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Brazil, Argentina etc with their " lucky " trophy wins !
 
Got to be honest. I wouldn’t give the england football team the steam off my piss. Couldn’t be less interested if I tried. Southgate makes me want to puke.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Has he not got the best out of Saka then? Or Bellingham ? Or Rice? Or many of our young outstanding talents, in both tournaments England had one of the youngest sides. He gives youth a chance, one thing England fans always cry out for.

Last point is your opinion, I would say at least 5-6 Prem clubs would snap him up straight away.
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Get down to your nearest comedy club where you will go down a storm or if you’re serious you are a fucking idiot apologist
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Has he not got the best out of Saka then? Or Bellingham ? Or Rice? Or many of our young outstanding talents, in both tournaments England had one of the youngest sides. He gives youth a chance, one thing England fans always cry out for.

Last point is your opinion, I would say at least 5-6 Prem clubs would snap him up straight away.
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There is a possibility a club like wolves or fulham might go for him. But thats the level he’d peak at

As ive said, as many have said, the man is championship level.

What do you think the likes of foden, or any brighton players even, think when they are listening to southgate when they were being coached by their club managers the week before?
 
Mid table or relegation-threatened PL managers face superior opposition week-in, week-out - and it’s a sink or swim business. This bloke however spends 9 months out of 12 plotting the breakdown of defences in Andorra and Montenegro, and once every 2 years gets given his head in his hands to play with by a better-coached team of comparable talent, and gets hailed a national hero for being on-message about non-football issues.

There isn’t a lot to win in the international game. It’s not the lack of trophies on the sideboard that’s the problem - it’s his vision and his teams’ execution of it on he field that’s the problem. He mistrusts Foden - just as others before him mistrusted flair.

The FA got their guy when they hired him, and he’s doing exactly what he was hired to do. Job for life.
 
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Southgate has the job for life as long as he qualifies for the big tournaments which these days is much easier with the expanded formats. He is a lucky manager in that the three tournaments he has led England they have had groups and draws that previous managers would have died for.

His issue is when he comes up against a competent opposition coach with a technically competent team. His in game management is non existent. It was painful watching when we led against Croatia and Italy. Every man and his dog could see what was coming and yet he did zilch!

He was probably let down by players against France especially Kane and Pickford but we hardly created much in that game. We will probably get out of the group stages next year but fail again if we come up against France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Croatia or Portugal.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
How dare you!

He needs moaning out of his job so we can appoint someone worse who can be properly moaned at for more not even getting us into finals.

Same old same old unfortunately.
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phew, thought i was going mad.

Actually not that arsed if Southgate stays or goes, he's done a decent job, better than expected and kept a good spirit/unity within the squad with many young players.

but it's obvious whoever England manager is the same cliche abuse will be thrown at him, guess it's part of the job.

squad announcement is just a yearly ritual for internet fans to let off steam.
 
Ithryn Luin said:
We will probably get out of the group stages next year but fail again if we come up against France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Croatia or Portugal.
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pretty much like every single nation in the world then ? except whoever wins the whole tournament.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
www.nationalworld.com

Ranking England’s last 10 managers - from Taylor to Southgate

Gareth Southgate is leading England into a fourth major tournament
www.nationalworld.com www.nationalworld.com
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Mate you can throw as many stats and articles at us as you like to try and convince us that Southgate is a great manager, 95% of us aren't buying it.

Years ago the groups for qualifying for tournaments weren't seeded in favour of the big nations. As a result England and a few others didn't make it. This obviously impacted on TV viewing figures and crowds at tournaments. They soon realised their mistake and now qualifying groups are England hammering smaller teams and having maybe two half difficult games against an above average side. As a result we easily qualify.

We get to the tournament and scrape through a relatively easy group again to the knockout stages where we face a team we should beat. If we do that's where it starts to unravel. The chances are we face a decent side for the first time in ages. Southgate is then exposed for what he is, a lower premier league manager at best, or a championship manager, which is more his forte. He would be ideal at Norwich or a similar yo yo team. Romp to promotion looking good, then once he's in the presence of better quality fail miserably and get relegated.

The way the dice is loaded these days a nation like England should always reach the quarter final of a major tournament. If the fa and fans are happy with that stick with Southgate he can't fail.
 
paulchapo said:
Mate you can throw as many stats and articles at us as you like to try and convince us that Southgate is a great manager, 95% of us aren't buying it.

Years ago the groups for qualifying for tournaments weren't seeded in favour of the big nations. As a result England and a few others didn't make it. This obviously impacted on TV viewing figures and crowds at tournaments. They soon realised their mistake and now qualifying groups are England hammering smaller teams and having maybe two half difficult games against an above average side. As a result we easily qualify.

We get to the tournament and scrape through a relatively easy group again to the knockout stages where we face a team we should beat. If we do that's where it starts to unravel. The chances are we face a decent side for the first time in ages. Southgate is then exposed for what he is, a lower premier league manager at best, or a championship manager, which is more his forte. He would be ideal at Norwich or a similar yo yo team. Romp to promotion looking good, then once he's in the presence of better quality fail miserably and get relegated.

The way the dice is loaded these days a nation like England should always reach the quarter final of a major tournament. If the fa and fans are happy with that stick with Southgate he can't fail.
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Not forgetting we're shit to watch. I watch all England games and want us to do well, but considering the side we can put out, there seems very little cohesion and even less entertainment. Beyond boring most games.
 
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