England wasting one of the most talented squads ever assembled on Southgate

Psychedelic Casual said:
England play an awful brand of football that inhibits players at Southgate’s disposal.

Getting to a final and losing in it is not an achievement!

Our tactics in that final were fucking atrocious. We went 1-0 up and had better players than the opposition, we were at home, and then we sat back like a relegation scrapping team who’d luckily pinched an early goal trying to hold on against a title challenger.

It was a sackable offence that got him a new contract because of people like you saying he has achieved (he’s achieved absolutely nothing) more than other managers in past decades, like past decades have any bearing on what’s going on in the here and now (they don’t).

The only thing that matters now is how we play in this era with the players that are playing in this era and the results we get in this era against other teams of this era.

Comparing Southgate’s era to Sven’s, for example, who was manager when England played the greatest Brazil team/greatest international team Ive ever seen in that 2002 WC, is no comparison really.

Trying to not lose a 1-0 lead, against that Italy team that wasn’t all that good, was shit and was the reason it ended up at penalties. Instead of playing a sensible game and trying to make it 2-0, we played a scared-to-death shithouse game that had no further ambition to score any more goals and it ended up 1-1.

Getting relegated in that fairly mundane and straightforward Nations League group was also shit.
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Is the correct post. That final v italy, pickford was hoofing it all over just to get rid. Southgate shat his kecks that day and was totally out coached by uber cool bobby manc
 
Kinkybyname said:
tbh I can't recall but iirc I'm sure you were lauding Southgate... yet your post contained that very line that condemned him
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I never have lauded Southgate - I think he’s bad for England because he suffers from the same thing that’s blighted us since 1966. We don’t play our most technically gifted players and opt for safety and luck, neither of which win at the top level tournaments. How anyone can pick the likes of: henderson, Phillips, Dier, Maguire, Shaw etc etc instead of foden is beyond me.
weve never learned: Hoddle, Le tissier, osgood, curry, worthington et al. All of whom would have got into any World Cup winning team, but not good enough for England apparently.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Is the correct post. That final v italy, pickford was hoofing it all over just to get rid. Southgate shat his kecks that day and was totally out coached by uber cool bobby manc
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It's odd how the match management of that final is ignored.
Italy werent good but southgate tactics allowed them back into the game. Also Mancini changed things for the better.
Instead southgate is seen as a success, typically English success was seen as just getting there.
Southgate definitely seems to have the ability to send Foden back in worse form than when in arrived
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Embarrassing thread for self entitled anti England fans that only really care about there own teams players being picked and don’t want England to succeed.

Southgate has one of the highest win percentages, took us to final of the Euros only losing on penalties and to a World Cup semi final - he has achieved far more than pretty much every manager since Alf Ramsey.

Going into the tournaments he has picked one of the youngest squads and starting line ups in the world, has managed to keep the unity and team spirit within the camp and has cemented himself as Englands manager after our performances at tournaments.

The reality is no England manager will ever please , it’s a massive ask to win a major tournament but even if we did , whoever is the manager will still get criticised, that’s the reality of modern day internet fans - all crying, whinging and moaning constantly mainly because they have a gripe against certain players being picked.

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Seems you are happy to settle for mediocrity I actually want England to achieve more than they should, with Southgate we achieve less Capello once said a bad manger makes a team 75% worse a good manger makes a team 10% better (figures for illustration ) Stats never portray imho the true story the eye test is a better measure and it is clear that he doesn’t have the ability to manger the squad his record proves it the only thing he has truly achieved is relegation for club and country
I agree he has done a good job off the field he’s a dream FA manager like I said in another post make him general manager but keep way from the grass and his lieutenants as well
 
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