Middle East Conflict

This isnt a wind up post, please can someone summarise in layman’s terms exactly what the conflict is. Who is fighting who and why? When you look online one source is so varied to the next.
Difficult to summarise something quite so enormous and quite so nuanced, but Rory Stewart’s attempt might satisfy some of your curiosity.
 
Okay, you haven't seen pictures then at all, have you?

It hit a crowded parking lot next to the hospital. There might be several dozens death people. Which is a real tragedy, getting hit while seeking help. But no building was flatten and for sure did not die hundreds of people.

Whilst the evidence from most of the available footage seems clear, that most buildings weren't flattened, in fact some don't even look particularly damaged, and there's no bomb crater, we don't know the death toll, and if large fuel fires were created, we might never know.

There does also seem to be a fairly remarkable (given the circumstances) void of video/photo evidence that "hundreds" died, I'll remain open to the fact it's stil quite possible, and many were simply cremated.

Sadly there'll never be a real investigation from anyone neutral, so there will always be a "it was him, no it was you" argument, and ultimately we'll also never be able to trust the casualty figures, without some independant coroboration.
 
I think the balance of probabilities is tilting in Israel’s favour, personally I’m probably 75:25 that Hamas did it now.
The recordings aren't hamas, they're pij, who do seem to have more potent weapons from somewhere, but how they got them into Gaza, I've no idea, but there seems only one plausible route, or they were built there.
 
As a result of violence, some sexual, after Pro-Palestinian demonstrarions, France has banned them.
 
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Whilst the evidence from most of the available footage seems clear, that most buildings weren't flattened, in fact some don't even look particularly damaged, and there's no bomb crater, we don't know the death toll, and if large fuel fires were created, we might never know.

There does also seem to be a fairly remarkable (given the circumstances) void of video/photo evidence that "hundreds" died, I'll remain open to the fact it's stil quite possible, and many were simply cremated.

Sadly there'll never be a real investigation from anyone neutral, so there will always be a "it was him, no it was you" argument, and ultimately we'll also never be able to trust the casualty figures, without some independant coroboration.

It seems beyond doubt that a very large number of people died. BBC report from the scene with body parts still being collected, macabre press conference from doctors at the hospital, dozens of body bags, nobody seems to be disputing any of this.
 
It seems beyond doubt that a very large number of people died. BBC report from the scene with body parts still being collected, macabre press conference from doctors at the hospital, dozens of body bags, nobody seems to be disputing any of this.
I wasn't disputing it either, just citing the lack of video/photo evidence (that I've seen anyway, and I don't go looking on twitter/telegraph for gore).

I would think hamas/pij would be all over posting it to implicate israel (who I also have very little sympathy for after years of watching how they treat civilians).
 
human believes in fantasy sky human, other human believes in fantasy sky human and special fantasy human. Both humans have fantasy sky human worship buildings in same area. Both humans believe they have the right and the other human is wrong. Both humans have descended down from being humans and kick the crap out of each other.
You missed the important bit where fantasy sky human promised both sets of humans the same piece of real estate.
 
"Hamas are recognised as a terrorist organisation by many nations, including the UK". Because the BBC refuse to directly call Hamas terrorists, Clive Myrie has to repeat this mantra at the start of every news broadcast.
What a pathetic fudge!
 
I’ve been sent several videos in recent days from friends in Palestine from the aftermath of Israeli strikes and they’re truly harrowing. What those poor children in Gaza have endured and continue to endure is beyond horrific. The lack of humanity in this world is truly sickening and I don’t know how the purveyors and their backers sleep at night. Please read the following articles to see what these atrocities are doing to these kids:

Children in Gaza experience ‘trauma beyond their endurance’
Parents say they are at a loss in dealing with the trauma of their children who should be playing, not grieving.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/12/children-in-gaza-experience-trauma-beyond-their-endurance

91 percent of children in Gaza suffer from PTSD
The mental health crisis amongst Gazan children deteriorated during the month of May when Israel bombed the city.

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/91-percent-of-children-in-gaza-suffer-from-ptsd-48105

AFTER 15 YEARS OF BLOCKADE, FOUR OUT OF FIVE CHILDREN IN GAZA SAY THEY ARE LIVING WITH DEPRESSION, GRIEF AND FEAR

https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/...ifteen-years-of-blockade-for-children-in-gaza

How the fuck can anyone with an ounce of humanity condone the collective punishment of children? Terror breeds terror can the world not see this?
 
Saw a topical comment on it about western governments take on this

The leaders of the world look at Israel and see superman, when in reality they get homelander.

bit lighthearted and sure some will disaprove
Hate the fact I didn't get this. Probably for the best.
 
How the fuck can anyone with an ounce of humanity condone the collective punishment of children? Terror breeds terror can the world not see this?
As a general proposition the western media has no interest whatsoever in the whole and inconvenient truth. On top of that someone in HMG over the last 20 years has been bought off or the Israelis have kompromat on a whole lot of people. imo.
 
human believes in fantasy sky human, other human believes in fantasy sky human and special fantasy human. Both humans have fantasy sky human worship buildings in same area. Both humans believe they have the right and the other human is wrong. Both humans have descended down from being humans and kick the crap out of each other.
It’s 2023 it’s fuckin scary. People are talking if we’ll ever conquer space and go to mars etc.. yet shit like this is still happening.
 
Yes it may have been one of the factors but the far biggest problem was ignoring the issue thinking it could be managed mainly by great brutality, the west let it fester and did nothing, no peace talks since 2014, and if we keep ignoring it, it blow up again
Nail on head.
The whole plan has been to normalise relations between Israel, the Arab states and anyone else wishing and willing to sell the Palestinians and their cause down the river thereby conveniently bypassing them and their legitimate rights, demands and aspirations while at the same time rendering the Palestinians isolated and friendless.
The Palestinians were never going stand by and watch this happen.
 

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