England wasting one of the most talented squads ever assembled on Southgate

Bluesince1979 said:
I always say england have got to a semi and a final DESPITE southgate, not because of

Heres a question … if they sacked him tomorrow , and you were in charge of finding a replacement … who would u get
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My milkman or window cleaner would do a job that’s no worse.
Realistically, it’s a job for an old bugger who has been successful but wants to ease himself into retirement. Look at the job Jack Charlton did in between fishing.
 
  • Get the best football coach you can to do elite-level football coaching to the best players in the country.
  • Get the best media-savvy sock-puppet who’ll mouth all the right opinions to camera on any given subject to do all of that cobblers.
  • Get prepared to hire two people to do two completely unrelated jobs.
Or fail, again.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Southgate is a decidedly average coach , probs championship level
But …. England have a pretty piss poor squad really. Bar maybe 3 or so decent players
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Not having the piss poor squad statement.

The team below would challenge strongly for the title and Champions League if it played in those competitions and was coached well.

Ramsdale

Walker Stones Colwill Chilwell

Rice

Bellingham Foden

Saka Kane Grealish

Subs: Pickford, Lewis, Dunk, Madison, Watkins etc.

I do have a little bit of sympathy for international coaches as trying to get players to play a sophisticated system as used by City is not really possible given the limited amount of time they have with the players.

International football is very tedious though.
 
Ithryn Luin said:
Mr Grey, Southsafe or whatever managed to create a "club" mentality amongst the players and the FA and media love him for his eloquence and the fact he makes qualification a breeze.

However, he has had the advantage of the best crop of talent ever to come through at once (imo) and the fact that nearly all of them are more comfortable on the ball due to Pep tactics rubbing off on the English game. We are short at centre back, left back and goalkeeping positions but it does not help he favours Maguire over other better centre halves.

Playing two holding midfielders to defend that position is unforgivable. But his in play game management is practically non existent and has cost this England side at least one trophy and two finals in the last 5 years!
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Nail on head.
 
jamesha said:
Not having the piss poor squad statement.

The team below would challenge strongly for the title and Champions League if it played in those competitions and was coached well.

Ramsdale

Walker Stones Colwill Chilwell

Rice

Bellingham Foden

Saka Kane Grealish

Subs: Pickford, Lewis, Dunk, Madison, Watkins etc.

I do have a little bit of sympathy for international coaches as trying to get players to play a sophisticated system as used by City is not really possible given the limited amount of time they have with the players.

International football is very tedious though.
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You forgot to pick any rags or dippers
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Southgate is a decidedly average coach , probs championship level
But …. England have a pretty piss poor squad really. Bar maybe 3 or so decent players
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jamesha said:
Ramsdale

Walker Stones Colwill Chilwell

Rice

Bellingham Foden

Saka Kane Grealish

Subs: Pickford, Lewis, Dunk, Madison, Watkins etc.
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And any club team that had the resources to assemble that team wouldn't dream of hiring Gareth Southgate to manage them.

I simply don't see the point in England having players like Kane, Bellingham, Foden, Stones etc etc if you're not going to get a quality coach that matches that level.

There's a reason big clubs hire the likes of Pep, Klopp etc and pay them big money. If all you needed is good players, then we could save a lot of dough and get any old manager in instead of Pep.

Obviously I'm not expecting Pep level as England manager, but there's a hell of a gulf between his level and Southgate level. Even just someone who bridges that gap in terms of levels would be better.

People will say we've had good players in the past and got big managers like Fabio Capello and it didn't work and there's some truth to that but, I also think international football now is pretty weak with the likes of France, Brazil and Italy all looking much shitter than they were during the generation of our supposed golden generation. so if we actually had a tactical astute manager for the national team, we would have a very good chance of winning something just based on international football at the moment not being particularly strong.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
Then you've answered my question, and essentially agreed with it. Palmer himself has only been good the last two or three games. It's an aberration that he should be in the squad, and Sterling not. Neither should be. By the way, I myself haven't been watching Sterling enough, but I think you'll find that a number of Chelsea fans disagree with you in your assessment. It's not the point, though.
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I’d actually have called up Gordon who I think has been better than both of them and more consistent.
 
jamesha said:
Not having the piss poor squad statement.

The team below would challenge strongly for the title and Champions League if it played in those competitions and was coached well.

Ramsdale

Walker Stones Colwill Chilwell

Rice

Bellingham Foden

Saka Kane Grealish

Subs: Pickford, Lewis, Dunk, Madison, Watkins etc.

I do have a little bit of sympathy for international coaches as trying to get players to play a sophisticated system as used by City is not really possible given the limited amount of time they have with the players.

International football is very tedious though.
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Colwill has been average for Chelsea and doesn’t play at centre back. Ramsdale doesn’t even play.
 
England in 2023

Played: 9
Won: 8
Drawn: 1
Lost: 0
For: 25
Against: 4
Opposition included: European Champions, World Cup Last 16, European Championship last 8, local rivals away, team that have won in Italy and Germany.

‘England are terrible’
 
I find all the bitching about Southgate from fans really tiresome.

The players clearly like him and the culture he has created. A final, semi final and quarter final.

Some loons on city youtube channels suggesting Jose Mourhino as Eng manager. I mean wt actual f?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
England in 2023

Played: 9
Won: 8
Drawn: 1
Lost: 0
For: 25
Against: 4
Opposition included: European Champions, World Cup Last 16, European Championship last 8, local rivals away, team that have won in Italy and Germany.

‘England are terrible’
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Gosh careful speaking facts..
 
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