PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

StockportJB76 said:
The Mail states Everton face being sued by relegated clubs resulting in administration, further 9 point deduction and relegation.

Ironic that these so called Fair Play Rules claiming to prevent clubs from getting into financial trouble, could lead to the financial ruin of an established club.

At the same time action against City and Chelsea could return one of the poorest run clubs in history, back inadvertently to the pinnacle of English football.

I can not help thinking that the Premier League is opening up a can of worms, backed by a fading cartel. In affect pressing the self destruction button as it attempts to cling to power, with Government interference adding to a malaise of confusion.

We may have reached the high point of the Premier League, as a financial entity and in global appeal. The age of legal action could be upon us, eventually seeing Financial Fair Play challenged legally as a concept.

Things likely to get very messy.

Maybe one day a World League will dominate, containing most of the best players. Financial Fair Play might be seen in the course of history as an almighty own goal by the Premier League and UEFA.
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I don’t believe there will be a positive outcome, and I believe it will kick off in a way never seen before. Whatever happens, football won’t ever be the same again, especially in England.
 
Paladin said:
The Premier League has been totally disingenuous about our situation. Compare how they announced their charges against us with how they announced Everton's charges.

Everton.

"In accordance with Premier League Rule W.82.1, the Premier League confirms that it has today referred an alleged breach of the League’s Profitability and Sustainability Rules by Everton Football Club to a Commission under Premier League Rule W.3.4. The assessment period for which it is alleged that the Club is in breach is the period ending Season 2021/22."

City.

"In accordance with Premier League Rule W.82.1, the Premier League confirms that it has referred a number of alleged breaches of the Premier League Rules by Manchester City Football Club (Club) to a Commission under Premier League Rule W.3.4."

Very similar, but in our case, they very helpful added every single charge, including "for Seasons 2016/17 and 2017/18, Premier League Rules E.53 to E.60." (8 separate charges under Profit and Sustainability, but not mentioned in the Everton announcement).

This creates a false narrative that Everton were guilty of just one breach, whilst City broke the rules 115 times. The PL deliberately created this scenario, and they have done nothing to correct the misinformation.

Together with the timing of our announcement, this stinks of a PL hatchet job on us, instigated by our rivals, as an attempt to stave off regulation whilst at the same time besmirching our name.

There are other strange anomalies on our rap sheet, such as the five charges for failing to comply with "B.14.6. the statutes and regulations of UEFA". How they can charge us with failing to comply with UEFA, when there is no proven charge from UEFA against us in the years specified, is beyond stupid. It wouldn't need Lord Pannick to successfully argue that one in a tribunal.
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Regarding UEFA, I recall the PL offered up a scenario that it's not the PL clubs who're licenced to UEFA, it's the PL themselves & through that we're licenced to UEFA.

Their take on it is if you breach UEFA's rules, you automatically breach the PL's rules too.

HOWEVER, if you don't qualify for European football, the UEFA facet doesn't apply. Everton didn't qualify, but City did, hence the additional charges.

Essentially if you breach UEFA's FFP & qualify for Europe, you get stiffed twice by both UEFA & the Premier League.

Evidently double jeopardy doesn't apply on Planet Premier League or Planet UEFA. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
 
Dribble said:
Regarding UEFA, I recall the PL offered up a scenario that it's not the PL clubs who're licenced to UEFA, it's the PL themselves & through that we're licenced to UEFA.

Their take on it is if you breach UEFA's rules, you automatically breach the PL's rules too.

HOWEVER, if you don't qualify for European football, the UEFA facet doesn't apply. Everton didn't qualify, but City did, hence the additional charges.

Essentially if you breach UEFA's FFP & qualify for Europe, you get stiffed twice by both UEFA & the Premier League.

Evidently double jeopardy doesn't apply on Planet Premier League or Planet UEFA. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
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Most importantly, can we still boo the champions league anthrm then?
 
SSBlue said:
There's one thing I don't understand, and I know the clever bods of Bluemoon will have the answers :)

How is it that the Premier League have FFP rules in the first place?

I assume it needed to be voted for by a majority of PL clubs. And obviously it suits the rags/scousers. But why did all the other clubs vote for it?

Vote for FFP = 4 or 5 "legacy" clubs.
Vote against = 4 or 5 clubs with aspirations to spend money (including City).
So a split vote so far.
For every other club, FFP means more admin, more scrutiny and less chance of ever becoming a top team.

Just seems weird to me.

It'd be interesting to know whether Everton voted for FFP.
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It is absurd. The key measure for sustainability of any business is the level of debt relative to its income. Debt was supposed to be a major part of the FFP policy but was taken out after pressure from the legacy clubs in Europe and the PL. The current regulation deters owners from making long-term investments and makes it harder for clubs to attract external investment. The current system is designed to protect a small clique.
 
StockportJB76 said:
The Mail states Everton face being sued by relegated clubs resulting in administration, further 9 point deduction and relegation.

Ironic that these so called Fair Play Rules claiming to prevent clubs from getting into financial trouble, could lead to the financial ruin of an established club.
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I recall a team, possibly Luton,who had run into financial difficulties, getting fined, which put them into further financial difficulties
 
If I were a lawyer, I'd be tempted to argue that all the negative publicity and BS in the media make it impossible for City to have a fair and objective hearing.

There are reasons why the media does not usually comment on matters that are sub judice. In most cases, it's contempt of court. Of course, this is a kangaroo court so the usual laws don't apply.
 
Len Rum said:
But I thought (maybe I'm wrong) that the PL rules were subject to English Law?
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I think you misunderstood Len. Yes, their rules are subject to English law so the PL can't simply impose a blanket provision gving them the ability to go back an unlimited time. Commercial law says 6 years for contract disputes, unless there's evidence of illegality. Interpreting an accounting standard or other rule in one way isn't in itself illegal. So despite City's claim that they're happy to have everything on the table, I suspect that will certainly be a line of attack when we appear before the panel.
 
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Prestwich_Blue said:
Stefan, as a qualified lawyer, has made this very point. Namely that the PL may say there's no statute of limitations on offences committed but English law doesn't agree.
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What would Stefan say if the PL argued that contractually the member clubs had waive limitation as a defence by signing up to the PL rules which specifically excluded time
barring? Would that stick for the PL and against us?
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
The Telegraph reporting that the bid by the Barclay family to regain control of the paper is likely to succeed. They are being loaned 1.2 billion by an investment company in which Sheikh Mansour is the main investor.

Positive coverage incoming.
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What is the circulation numbers for the Telegraph? Had imagined it was minute.
 
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