European Super League | ECJ rule that UEFA and FIFA acted unlawfully in blocking Super League (p 29)

I'm Blue said:
I asked someone this earlier but would like to hear some of the other Blues opinions on this.
I see some comments with regards this happening and them saying they’ll be done with football if this happens.
So my question is how would they feel if we’re booted out of the premier league or lower with regards the 115 charges and would then your opinions change?
Just wondering..
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As the song goes: "I'll follow City everywhere." I didn't stop going when the PL came in and I won't stop if the CL is replaced by a new European League. I am generally an optimist and someone who is happy to embrace change. I remain deeply suspicious of the motives of those behind the new ESL but I am also deeply suspicious about the crooks running UEFA and the PL. I will wait and see what happens.
I respect those who don't like modern football and have bailed out. It's a free country and it's their choice. But nostalgia aside, I believe the quality of football these days is better than ever. I don't hanker for the so-called glory days when thugs like Norman Hunter and Chopper Harris ruled the roost.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
If the choice was between financial oblivion and my football club no longer existing, or joining a ESL to survive, then I’m going with the ESL option.
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Financial oblivion would obviously be the extreme but anything sanction that could get imposed would still be a kick in the knackers considering how it’s all come about.
Doctored hacked emails, brought about by the ‘elite’ to protect their own self interests, nailed as guilty by the media.
It’s already a stacked deck.
Yeah we’ve done alright : ) but the whole thing is already corrupt.
 
Load of bollox! Format is shit and the teams who want it are desperate, which leaves the everyday fan losing out.

It’s all about the few grabbing the game for their own benefit, why would any of ours want to diminish the game for the sake of the likes of Real, Barca and Juventus?
 
This is not affecting domestic leagues.....as pointed out this is a fight with eufa/fifa.....it may affect what kind of teams are put out in domestic cups. But its still a closed shop when you look at top 2 leagues. if a random team like West Ham etc ever won premier league it would not get in top league for winning EPL so no extra revenue like Utd pool city etc(whoever invited to star league) so the financial gap will just get wider
 
Many things wrong with a potential super league BUT, UEFA pretending this is all about protecting the fans has to be the biggest joke of them all. £405 for a ticket for the CL final, abandoned to our own devices after the final, no adequate refreshments during the game along with piss poor organisation on the way to the final.
As for the PL caring about fans, equally as nonsensical. Random kick off times, arbitrary FFP rules which encourage clubs to maximise the revenue of the match going fan, VAR that not only takes up to 6 minutes and even after that length of time, is often wrong.

Imagine if this super league came in and had a maximum standard ticket price of £25/£30 with fixed kick off dates and times? It might change a few hearts and minds…

Finally, I’ve seen this on sky news today and it was noticeable that, this morning, the 6 teams who were going to ‘abandon’ English football started with Manchester City, followed by Chelsea. Aresenal, Spurs, Liverpool and Man U. This afternoon, the 6 teams who ‘changed their minds’ started with Manchester United, followed by, Liverpool, Aresenl, Spurs, Chelsea and Manchester City bringing up the rear. Might be a tad high on the paranoid scale but it was the thing I first noticed!!
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
As the song goes: "I'll follow City everywhere." I didn't stop going when the PL came in and I won't stop if the CL is replaced by a new European League. I am generally an optimist and someone who is happy to embrace change. I remain deeply suspicious of the motives of those behind the new ESL but I am also deeply suspicious about the crooks running UEFA and the PL. I will wait and see what happens.
I respect those who don't like modern football and have bailed out. It's a free country and it's their choice. But nostalgia aside, I believe the quality of football these days is better than ever. I don't hanker for the so-called glory days when thugs like Norman Hunter and Chopper Harris ruled the roost.
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Good post Blue.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Many things wrong with a potential super league BUT, UEFA pretending this is all about protecting the fans has to be the biggest joke of them all. £405 for a ticket for the CL final, abandoned to our own devices after the final, no adequate refreshments during the game along with piss poor organisation on the way to the final.
As for the PL caring about fans, equally as nonsensical. Random kick off times, arbitrary FFP rules which encourage clubs to maximise the revenue of the match going fan, VAR that not only takes up to 6 minutes and even after that length of time, is often wrong.

Imagine if this super league came in and had a maximum standard ticket price of £25/£30 with fixed kick off dates and times? It might change a few hearts and minds…

Finally, I’ve seen this on sky news today and it was noticeable that, this morning, the 6 teams who were going to ‘abandon’ English football started with Manchester City, followed by Chelsea. Aresenal, Spurs, Liverpool and Man U. This afternoon, the 6 teams who ‘changed their minds’ started with Manchester United, followed by, Liverpool, Aresenl, Spurs, Chelsea and Manchester City bringing up the rear. Might be a tad high on the paranoid scale but it was the thing I first noticed!!
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SKY News are financially involved in this battle. They would go out of existence if a new ESL came in and broadcast its own matches on its own streaming channels. You can''t trust a single word they broadcast. They were heavily involved in manipulating the narrative last time. They actively whipped up the fans of other clubs to protest. Some supporters are so gullible they believe everything they are told. SKY and UEFA have been ripping off fans for years. They are not acting in good faith in this dispute.
 
If this shit show actually turns into anything concrete then I suspect it’ll be the final nail in the coffin for a lot of fans.

I find myself falling more and more out of love with the game as it is, and I know I’m not the only one.

Fans are treated like disposable idiots by the club and the governing bodies.

I’m a whisker away from jacking it all in as it is. I have other hobbies.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Many things wrong with a potential super league BUT, UEFA pretending this is all about protecting the fans has to be the biggest joke of them all. £405 for a ticket for the CL final, abandoned to our own devices after the final, no adequate refreshments during the game along with piss poor organisation on the way to the final.
As for the PL caring about fans, equally as nonsensical. Random kick off times, arbitrary FFP rules which encourage clubs to maximise the revenue of the match going fan, VAR that not only takes up to 6 minutes and even after that length of time, is often wrong.

Imagine if this super league came in and had a maximum standard ticket price of £25/£30 with fixed kick off dates and times? It might change a few hearts and minds…

Finally, I’ve seen this on sky news today and it was noticeable that, this morning, the 6 teams who were going to ‘abandon’ English football started with Manchester City, followed by Chelsea. Aresenal, Spurs, Liverpool and Man U. This afternoon, the 6 teams who ‘changed their minds’ started with Manchester United, followed by, Liverpool, Aresenl, Spurs, Chelsea and Manchester City bringing up the rear. Might be a tad high on the paranoid scale but it was the thing I first noticed!!
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Like many things, this is an awful binary choice.

UEFA / FIFA v Self interested clubs already in financial ruin.
Conservative v Labour
Syphilis v Gonorrhea
Turkey v Nut Roast
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I think it would be different if the grounds half empty and there’s mass protests outside. The club wouldn’t be able to ignore.

I don’t think I would be in for a surprise. We still rely on our core fan base to fill the ground every week. If large numbers of those fans stopped attending it would make a big difference in my view.

The new/ tourist fans make up a fraction of our regular match going crowd
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There seems more and more of them every new season
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
If this shit show actually turns into anything concrete then I suspect it’ll be the final nail in the coffin for a lot of fans.

I find myself falling more and more out of love with the game as it is, and I know I’m not the only one.

Fans are treated like disposable idiots by the club and the governing bodies.

I’m a whisker away from jacking it all in as it is. I have other hobbies.
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You never know this could be a new lease of life for football.
The closed shop format was obviously a non starter and a bad idea from the off but there’s nothing to suggest it could be any worse.
I mean UEFA are a set of cunts so could it really be any worse?
I guess we’ll get more of idea when everything is layed out for us to see.
 
I don't understand the antipathy towards a different structure for European football on this forum. Surely of all football fanbases we should be the one that is all for it?

If it wasn't so poorly planned and rushed out when it was, and the clubs were seen to be consulting the stakeholders (including fans) before announcing their intentions there wouldn't have been such a furore.

What is the problem with power being taken away from the PL, UEFA and FIFA and the clubs and hopefully the fans having more say about how the competitions were organised, who had the rights to show them on TV etc? In principle I'd be all for it and the idea of higher quality matches really appeals. Even most CL games are boring to watch these days. UEFA's answer to that seems to be to have even more of them.

I wouldn't miss playing teams who just put 10 behind the ball every week and that would hopefully change if we played higher quality opposition on a more regular basis.
 
Please someone correct me if I am wrong, but the original plan of the ESL was to invite 24/32 of Europe's leading clubs into a competition that replaced the Champions league. There was never any intention of the clubs "leaving" their domestic leagues. So all these claims that it would kill the Premier league was just hysteria. It was a ploy by the big clubs owners to take the subtantial money Uefa pockets for themselves.

The main issue as I saw back then it was the intention to make it a closed club aka the NFL with no promotion and relegation. I understand going forward this was going to be changed with the bottom 4 clubs dropping out every year.
 
blueparsman said:
This is not affecting domestic leagues.....as pointed out this is a fight with eufa/fifa.....
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Maybe, but I really think this is being positioned to replace domestic leagues at the top level, if not initially then very soon after start-up. Expansion (further dilution) of the CL is bad enough, but it feels to me like ESL would be a death-knoll for top European (and uk) leagues. Local lower-league and non-league football could get a welcome attendance bounce.
 
At 64 years old, a seasoncard holder and in all the cup schemes, I think the ESL would be a sign from above that it's time to begin supporting the club from my armchair or, who knows, with a virtual sesson ticket in the future.
 
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