It is the clear and obvious that needs binning , use the monitors more and not just for overturning decisions for goals but for dives and the like . I would also like to know why city players get booked for diving when a replay for those at home shows they were fouled and other teams players are not getting booked for blatant divesboth shouldn't have been awarded in my opinion but the ref deemed there was enough contact to award penalty and VAR tend to not overturn the refs decision unless 100% clear and obvious. I'd like Var to tell refs that even though there was contact it was minimal and book the divers. that would be preferred.
Pre VAR and the ref awards them penalties WITHOUT any contact as what did happen many many times with Salah and co.
As a side note, I think this has been the most cordial and decent debate that we’ve had in here for ages.
I think we all want the same thing in getting as many decisions right as possible, it’s just how we all get to that point being different.
That dive in the dippers game was a classic example of a difficult / subjective decision that is always going to be controversial.both shouldn't have been awarded in my opinion but the ref deemed there was enough contact to award penalty and VAR tend to not overturn the refs decision unless 100% clear and obvious. I'd like Var to tell refs that even though there was contact it was minimal and book the divers. that would be preferred.
Pre VAR and the ref awards them penalties WITHOUT any contact as what did happen many many times with Salah and co.
This keeping the flag down is a cover for the time it takes var to have a word down the ear , it is a nonsense to keep the flag down when a player is obviously offside , the defenders are knocked off their stride when they hesitate or in johns case they continue and get injuredthe laws of the game at the moment arent fit for purpose especially this not blowing up until the play is dead on offside, not only does it run the risk of unnecessary injury as we have seen but it also gives teams corners quite often that they shouldnt have had.
The main problem with var is the believe that it exonerates refs of all responsibility when it doesnt, var should be a tool to help refs it should not exonerate them of patently poor refereeing or being called out for it.
In the words of tash ....."What do you achieve with provocative posts like this"yep much better, never got the anger over very small difference of opinion on this subject.
There's 1 or 2 in here that are just desperate to stir up an argument and scream WUM over something they disagree with.
That dive in the dippers game was a classic example of a difficult / subjective decision that is always going to be controversial.
With the benefit of replays I'd guess 9 out of 10 call that a dive but live I thought it was a pen and I reckon many others would have. There was some contact and that's enough for many but only with replay can you see the contact was minimal. It's then a case of at what point Do you want VAR involved. Going by the current approach the ref had to make a difficult decision and VAR decided not to get involved as they have to make a call on 'clear and obvious'.
There will always be arguments around the subjective calls. VAR helps get more right at a cost of the time it takes. But there will always be decisions to make and mistakes will be made.
Just on a side note regarding this. I also questioned why he didnt get a yellow. I saw on twitter the explanation, apparently if the ref plays advantage for a foul which is deemed to be interfering or stopping a promising attack then the advantage overrules the yellow ie they didn't actually stop the attack.One of the biggest contradictions for referees (and I've experienced the same whilst cricket umpiring in recent years) is that people scream for both consistency and common sense, when in reality, they're mutually exclusive.
Last night Taylor waved "play-on" after a blatant shirt pull by Joelinton, and there was a natural assumption that he'd give a yellow card at the next stoppage.
It was changed though because of the number of times the assistant was getting the 'obvious' offsides wrongThis keeping the flag down is a cover for the time it takes var to have a word down the ear , it is a nonsense to keep the flag down when a player is obviously offside , the defenders are knocked off their stride when they hesitate or in johns case they continue and get injured
There is obvious and obvious , the fat bastards are not keeping up most of the time, lolIt was changed though because of the number of times the assistant was getting the 'obvious' offsides wrong
Agree wholeheartedly. Listening and reading post game comments from pundits and the majority dont ever mention the word dive. He fell late or went down late. If we want cheating out of the game we have to call it out when it happens.I also think what isnt happening which should be happening is that we arent calling out players for clear cheating some of the falls, dives, tackles are a disgrace and refs are criticised but players should be too, jota should be roundly criticised for that last night as well as the ref for making the wrong decision
I have heard ours described as dives or went down to easy and once the head of var, that swarsbrick **** , say rodders dived when he was body slammed a few seasons ago , from the very top , bet he would have never have said that about any other teams player and he was wrongAgree wholeheartedly. Listening and reading post game comments from pundits and the majority dont ever mention the word dive. He fell late or went down late. If we want cheating out of the game we have to call it out when it happens.
I agree, I thought Joelinton was going to get the yellow after the period of play concluded, but on review he didn’t pull his shirt, Joelinton put his hand on the player’s shoulder and didn’t really impede him the way it seemed on first blush.
Again, I agree that most refs would have blown, stopped the game for a foul, and issued the yellow card…which shows the inconsistency. But, it was not necessarily a bad call.
What irritates me far more…as in way, way more…is the number of yellow cards being issued for technical issues while ignoring leg breakers and the physical stuff that leaves players on the sidelines for a month!
We need a different card for technical indiscretions and their penalty should be fines sent to a PFA Charity Foundation for distribution every Christmas. I’d suggest a green card!
A player shouldn’t be sent off for speaking up, unless it’s foul and abusive directed at the official (which is already a red card offence), which should be a green followed by a red, so the player gets a bigger Charity fine!
Not necessarily disagreeing, but I've definitely seen a recent incident (it might have even been a City game) where a ref has played the advantage and then booked the player once the game has stopped.Just on a side note regarding this. I also questioned why he didnt get a yellow. I saw on twitter the explanation, apparently if the ref plays advantage for a foul which is deemed to be interfering or stopping a promising attack then the advantage overrules the yellow ie they didn't actually stop the attack.
e.g. if you're getting away from me and I try to pull your shirt and only grab a slip for a moment but you carry on, that wont be a yellow
Sometimes we/I admittedly don't know all the rules.
If they're not keeping up then they're even less likely to make an accurate decisionThere is obvious and obvious , the fat bastards are not keeping up most of the time, lol
I wouldn’t have used that in a reply, but it doesn’t have any expletives nor can be perceived as aggressive.In the words of tash ....."What do you achieve with provocative posts like this"
It’s supposed to be for times where the assistant isn’t 100% sure that the player is offside.It was changed though because of the number of times the assistant was getting the 'obvious' offsides wrong
There is obvious and obvious , the fat bastards are not keeping up most of the time, lolI have heard ours described as dives or went down to easy and once the head of var, that swarsbrick **** , say rodders dived when he was body slammed a few seasons ago , from the very top , bet he would have never have said that about any other teams player and he was wrong
Not necessarily disagreeing, but I've definitely seen a recent incident (it might have even been a City game) where a ref has played the advantage and then booked the player once the game has stopped.
Perhaps the rule is slightly different for a serious foul as opposed to mere obstruction/shirt pulling etc?
I think it is. Here's the interpretation I saw, which again is a very messy rule open to subjectivity. I would say Taylor got it spot on last night but how many others would make the same call? Is it any surprise there is zero consistency when these are the rules?Not necessarily disagreeing, but I've definitely seen a recent incident (it might have even been a City game) where a ref has played the advantage and then booked the player once the game has stopped.
Perhaps the rule is slightly different for a serious foul as opposed to mere obstruction/shirt pulling etc?